Would this be considered "shacking up?"

[E.E.N.S]

The Church will make exceptions for those who can’t manage financially. Or if they have a weakness. As you know, some priests who are alcoholics are allowed to use grape juice at Communion.

Pope Benedict said that the preferred method for an alcoholic priest to receive would be by dipping the host into the consecrated wine, but I believe I have heard that mustum may be used in rare circumstances (even though it is to be avoided when possible), but I digress, I don’t think this is relevant to the topic at hand. The OP ask a question and it seems many of you are trying to find any loophole possible instead of trying to find a way for her to be able to holding to the teachings of the Church. We should offer advice that is for the good of the soul, not for the good of popularity.

 

[Karin]

Pope Benedict said that the preferred method for an alcoholic priest to receive would be by dipping the host into the consecrated wine, but I believe I have heard that mustum may be used in rare circumstances (even though it is to be avoided when possible), but I digress, I don’t think this is relevant to the topic at hand. The OP ask a question and it seems many of you are trying to find any loophole possible instead of trying to find a way for her to be able to holding to the teachings of the Church. We should offer advice that is for the good of the soul, not for the good of popularity.

Loopholes…nah you dont think that is what they are trying to do is it?

 

[OldAgeGuru]

Oh please…if for money reasons you can not afford rent on your own then get a roommate of the same sex…there is no need to “play house” to pay the rent…

I’m not playing house. I’ve made my peace with the situation. And you guys can critique me all you want. Call me a bad Catholic, a horrible misguided human being condemned to eternity in hell, but in the end my mistakes are on my shoulders.

 

[E.E.N.S]

I’m not playing house. I’ve made my peace with the situation. And you guys can critique me all you want. Call me a bad Catholic, a horrible misguided human being condemned to eternity in hell, but in the end my mistakes are on my shoulders.

No one is calling you that and nor is anyone judging your eternal destination - you are simply being informed of what the Church teaches, it’s your choice whether you choose to assent or not.

 

[Karin]

I’m not playing house. I’ve made my peace with the situation. And you guys can critique me all you want. Call me a bad Catholic, a horrible misguided human being condemned to eternity in hell, but in the end my mistakes are on my shoulders.

OldAgeGuru…

1. Glad to hear that you are not playing house
2. Glad to hear that you are at peace with your situation…
3. I have not critiqued you…called you a bad catholic, misguided or comdemned you to an eternity in hell…
4. So glad that you lump the folks that are pointing out WHAT the CHURCH TEACHES into the same group!
5. My post was not directed at you but at another poster who cant seem to get what the Church teaches strraight and as another poster pointed out was looking for loopholes to justify something!

 

[Karin]

No one is calling you that and nor is anyone judging your eternal destination - you are simply being informed of what the Church teaches, it’s your choice whether you choose to assent or not.

 

[jmcrae]

The Church will make exceptions for those who can’t manage financially. Or if they have a weakness.

What are you going to do when you’ve got three or four kids in tow and can’t hold down a full time job anymore? At some point in your life, you’re going to have to figure out how to live on one income - and by that time, taking in another room mate isn’t going to be an option.

 

[Karianne]

I’m not playing house. I’ve made my peace with the situation. And you guys can critique me all you want. Call me a bad Catholic, a horrible misguided human being condemned to eternity in hell, but in the end my mistakes are on my shoulders.

Believe me, everyone here is a sinner, probably just as much as they consider you one.

As I’ve said, I understand your situation. People with enough money don’t.
This is why I advised the original poster to seek out her priest, he knows as well as anyone what she’s going thru.
However, she wanted to know what others thought and how they would interpret her situation-I’ve actually read enough in this thread to see that no one is going to get anything else out of it.
Let’s go elsewhere!

 

[OldAgeGuru]

No one is calling you that and nor is anyone judging your eternal destination - you are simply being informed of what the Church teaches, it’s your choice whether you choose to assent or not.

I didn’t say anyone was calling me out. I just meant that you can call me those things, or cast stones in my direction.

 

[OldAgeGuru]

What are you going to do when you’ve got three or four kids in tow and can’t hold down a full time job anymore? At some point in your life, you’re going to have to figure out how to live on one income - and by that time, taking in another room mate isn’t going to be an option.

I’m not planning on having three or four kids, and living on one income. Right now I’m planning on no children. They aren’t for me.

But should that happen my future spouse and I have fairly flexible jobs and would figure out a way to care for the children.

 

[Karin]

Once again if money is “such” an issue then by all means seek a roommate…this has nothing to do with the amount of money you have or do not have but what the CHURCH teaches!
Some folks want to follow the church and will do everything that they can to do that while others seek loopholes to do what they want !

 

[Aly]

Just FYI:

The term (sic) indicates that you thought I made a grammatical error.

“It’s” is short for “it is.” The apostrophe (’) stands in for the “i” in “is.”

jmcrae:

As I suspected, reason has little impact upon others’ tendency/compulsion to pontificate. So, I waste my breath.

Thus, I will merely sign-off of this dicussion by noting that the “sic” to which you refer above was not referring to the “it’s” contraction, but rather your failure to adhere to standard English by including the word “that” before the contraction.

These trumpets will have to blast on without me.

S9

[O&O]

 

[E.E.N.S]

I didn’t say anyone was calling me out. I just meant that you can call me those things, or cast stones in my direction.

I have no interest in casting stones at you, my only interest is to help spread the truth, our Faith, and helping those who *should *know to know what is expected of them.

I’m not planning on having three or four kids, and living on one income. Right now I’m planning on no children. They aren’t for me.

But should that happen my future spouse and I have fairly flexible jobs and would figure out a way to care for the children.

This mentality is not compatible with the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

 

[OldAgeGuru]

This mentality is not compatible with the sacrament of Holy Matrimony.

I have no plans in the immediate future for marriage. I am not engaged. I don’t plan on getting engaged, I have no desperate need to get married at the moment. I am content with my life and all of it’s busy glory as it is this moment. Children aren’t for me. At least right now. I have NO money, a fulltime job, a fulltime course load in grad school. I have no time at the moment. And I would not consider getting married, let alone having a kid at this moment.

E.E.N.S I understand that you are just trying to preach the faith. However, sometimes when you do it, your phrasing comes across as a bit too much brutal truth and not enough honey to swallow it with.

And with that I’m off to go get ready for a party.

 

[Sanctus9]

As the mother of a 14 year old girl, who has referred to me in terms such as “strict” (and worse) in these and other forums, I was stunned when she came to me and asked me about some of the “advice” she was receiving in these discussion forums. I will admit that I was also stunned by the nature of the questions she was asking and that she openly revealed them to me.

In any event, as you might have guessed I believe that all people are entitled to their opinions but that opinions are only as valuable as the quality of their source. While the garbage man’s opinion of when the next pick-up will occur might be worth listening to, when he strays into quantum physics, one might want to look elsewhere for guidance.

Opinions without support are just that; opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. If facts are what a poster seeks, the poster should make sure that the facts “communicated” are actually - specifically - backed-up with something in support. This is what footnotes and citations are for in scholarly works.

These boards would be far less crowded/used if pontification were prohibited, I suspect. This much I know for sure.

But, in a unique twist of events, as a result of the overbearing and unsupported “rants” (as my daughter refers to them) that my daughter received here from some, I am now considered to be far more reasonable in my daughter’s eyes than ever before. For this I thank you all, including jmcrae.

God works in mysterious ways, I have heard.

As for those who nothing better to do than to “blast their trumpets”, remember what they say about idle hands…

A great new year to all and with this I sign off - really - and promise not to check up/in on my daughter here again despite her very gracious invitation to do so!

S9

- Jesuit tranined (to answer one gal’s question)
and “Aly’s” “super strict” mother (to answer another’s).:tsktsk:

 

[hasikelee]

Believe me, everyone here is a sinner, probably just as much as they consider you one.

As I’ve said, I understand your situation. People with enough money don’t.
This is why I advised the original poster to seek out her priest, he knows as well as anyone what she’s going thru.
However, she wanted to know what others thought and how they would interpret her situation-I’ve actually read enough in this thread to see that no one is going to get anything else out of it.
Let’s go elsewhere!

This money excuse is just that. As if everyone this board is filthy rich. Search the threads. There are tons and tons about how to stretch a meal, how to stay out of the poorhouse, how to make a measly paycheck care for a whole family, how to pay for school, etc etc etc.

How many things must we use in life to insulate ourselves from loving someone else, and loving Christ, completely? What lengths will we go to so that we can avoid true intimacy and a permanent relationship with someone? And why?

I am far from rich and would never sacrifice the love and purity of my fiancee, nor the authority and reason of my Lord, just for the sake of saving some bucks $$.

Please, karianne and oldage, open your hearts and minds to hear the voice of Christ through His Church. oldage, you say you refrain from sexual intercourse so you are already either following Christ’s teachings or seeing some logical reason to do so. Why not trust that pathway and follow it faithfully?

 

[E.E.N.S]

E.E.N.S I understand that you are just trying to preach the faith. However, sometimes when you do it, your phrasing comes across as a bit too much brutal truth and not enough honey to swallow it with.

If I come across too strong I apologize, but I rarely do more than state what the Church teaches. I find it is a bad idea to sugar-coat the truth as it often leads people to look for the “sweet loophole” and that would be counter to my goal, as all I want to do is help my brothers and sisters get to heaven - even if that means they might be a little uncomfortable in this life. (Though when you get uncomfortable for the sake of Christ and His kingdom you will find a peace never before imagined.)

May God grant you all an abundance of grace for this new year so that you may do His will in all things, and on today, the feast day of the Mother of God, be blessed.

 

[OldAgeGuru]

. (Though when you get uncomfortable for the sake of Christ and His kingdom you will find a peace never before imagined.)

May God grant you all an abundance of grace for this new year so that you may do His will in all things, and on today, the feast day of the Mother of God, be blessed.

I’d be happy with10 minutes of peace !
Happy New Year to you as well, and everyone else!

 

[Peterdiago]

Has anyone else done this, or heard of anyone doing this before?

Myself and my (now) wife lived together in the same house for about a month. But our circumstances were special - I was moving from the UK to the USA in order to get married to her. I therefore did not have anywhere else to stay.

Unless I had arrived in the USA on the day of the wedding and gone to the Church from the airport (which would have been impossible because we needed to meet with the Priest and organize many things) I would have had to stay in a hotel. Which would have been too expensive.

Is this a near occassion of Sin? Absolutely. Does it cause scandal? Not in our case, I feel, as we made it very clear to everyone who asked the exact nature of our relationship and the reasons behind it.

Is it a Sin to live together? Well - I dunno. Certainly, we did not commit any of the Sins we could have done - but it was certainly tempting!!!

And that is the message I would leave you with - it’s four months. Even if the rent is really high and such, it’s not going to make a huge difference to financial security and so forth.

One mistake, one error, and although you can seek and receive forgiveness, it’ll never be the same again.

I did it, and given the same circumstances, I would do it again. But your circumstances are different - in yours, I wouldn’t.

Why can’t you believe the best of the EM and figure that he/she would never be an EM if he were living in sin?

Gov. J. Granholm of Michigan is an EM and she is a pro-abortion politician - just because someone is an EM does not mean they take it or the Church seriously.

Hey, why am I replying to a suspended poster?

Right now I’m planning on no children. They aren’t for me. But should that happen my future spouse and I have fairly flexible jobs and would figure out a way to care for the children.

Erm . . . you are planning to get married and are not open to the idea of children? You say “planning on no children” which to my mind suggests that you are planning to prevent conception. Sort of contraception, if I understand the word right . . . NFP is not allowed to be used as a form of contraception, you know.

However, sometimes when you do it, your phrasing comes across as a bit too much brutal truth and not enough honey to swallow it with.

You admit it’s the truth, and then you say you don’t like it? Aw, diddums . . .

Sanctus9 - just a single question; where are your sources?

Ciao,

P’dI