Would you be more upset with your teenager if you caught them smoking or cheating?

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Cheating of course.
If they are 18 smoking is legal. Also it is not a sin if done in moderation. Such as drinking as age 21 is legal if done in moderation. I wouldn’t want them to smoke of course.
But cheating is a mortal sin.
 
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cynic:
What is actually immoral about smoking? sure it’s addictive, unhealthy, and addictions are wrong, but people can get addicted to many things…how is, specifically, smoking a ciggarette a sin? I don’t accept this PC gargbage that things like smoking are wrong on some moral level because they are unhealthy, even mildly unhealthy, it seems like christians are all to keen to accept this sort of thing, to create sins that would not have been regarded as sin 40 years ago. Obviousely cheating on a test is far more seriouse, cause it’s lying, it’s dishonesty.
I agree that cheating is worse, but itsn’t smoking also a sin because of the harm that it does to your body which is supposed to be a temple of the Holy Spirit?
 
I would be more upset if I caught them smoking. This could develop into a deadly habit which is almost impossible to break, plus in our state is against the law to smoke under the age of 18.

As far as cheating goes—I’m looking at my own kids here. If they were caught cheating, it would be unusual. I would need to look and see if there is some added pressure (i.e. too many extracurriculars, etc) that make them think they would have to cheat. They would be punished accordingly and I would be glad that they were caught and any consequences that the school would hand out would be endured, and then some!!!
 
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rubycanoe:
Cheating of course.
If they are 18 smoking is legal. Also it is not a sin if done in moderation. Such as drinking as age 21 is legal if done in moderation. I wouldn’t want them to smoke of course.
But cheating is a mortal sin.
There is no such thing as killing yourself and others in moderation. Smoking in moderation is a myth. Very, very few people are able to be social smokers or weekend smokers. Addiction takes hold and then all of a sudden you aren’t able to only have one or two a week. I was a social smoker for a few years and I thought I could have one once in a while because I don’t have an addictive personality, but I found out the hard way that cigarettes are more addictive than heroin, (as a doctor once told me), and it became a killer (literally) habit after a couple of years. Then I had to do the hard, almost impossible work of quitting. But, if I can quit, anyone can. So you see my friend, it is a terrible idea to even have one cigarette. In my opinion there is no such thing as smoking in moderation. Almost 100% of the people will eventually become addicted. As I said earlier, RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris are laughing all the way to the bank, and thinking you smokers are idiots. They are laughing at you–thinking how dumb you are to be killing yourself, spending your hard earned money, and stinking to high heaven while you are lining their pocketbooks. Do you think they would let their children smoke? Hell no, let someone else’s children die, not theirs.
 
My mother in law smoked her whole life. She died at age 84. She did NOT die from smoking, but from old age.

My father in law would occasionally smoke with her. He smoked in moderation, contrary to the previous post.

I am allergic to smoking and don’t like it, but I don’t believe it is inherently evil. Some people are able to do it and not suffer.

I would be more concerned if my teenager were cheating.
 
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snoopy:
Smoking is a serious sin because you are abusing your body, essentially committing suicide. God gave you one body and you have an obligation to take care of it. I don’t understand what you mean by PC garbage. Smoking kills, it is a known fact, and being Politically Correct has nothing to do with it. I totally disagree that cheating is more serious. Killing yourself or someone else is the most offensive sin to God in my humble opinion.
ok well eating McDonalds, not getting enough excercise, not taking your vitamins, these are all sins then? Being unhealthy is not a sin, and ‘killing yourself’ is a bit of an extreme way to put it, it takes many years. There is no intoxication with tobacco, like there is with other drugs, so I can’t see the sin.
 
Definitely smoking, since I know from experience what’s involved. However, I’d be ready to disown them if I found out they voted for the Bush Junta!

Peace.
 
space ghost:
…well, let’s get the right perspective here… smoking what
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and cheating on what, then i might be ready to venture an answer…
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Cigarettes vs. cheating on an exam.

I say cheating. Smoking may be harmful, but if it is more sinful than cheating, then so is eating McDonalds or not exercising for an hour a day. That’s my opinion. I would never smoke, but I do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself. I had a friend kill himself, and I would rather see him alive and smoking a cigarette right now.

Eamon
 
i don’t really care either way. i don’t have a teenager. i don’t even have a kid. i’d probably be more mad if i caught them cheating though.
 
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speedy5:
i don’t really care either way. i don’t have a teenager. i don’t even have a kid. i’d probably be more mad if i caught them cheating though.
Keep an open mind. Maybe you too will have this problem one day (I don’t have kids either, but I know Mom would kill me worse for cheating rather than smoking)
 
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turboEDvo:
Cigarettes vs. cheating on an exam.

I say cheating. Smoking may be harmful, but if it is more sinful than cheating, then so is eating McDonalds or not exercising for an hour a day. That’s my opinion. I would never smoke, but I do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself. I had a friend kill himself, and I would rather see him alive and smoking a cigarette right now.

Eamon
…i would think both equally lessen the value you place in yourself… :cool: if you smoke today, you are aware of the alledged ramifications to your health… if you cheat on a simple test (assuming test at school) your character suffers as well… so i give it a draw… both venial, both reducing yourself to something less than you were designed to be…

…should you sell your weakness as no big deal to someone else and that causes them temptation to mirror your behavior???
…could wind up being mortal…:eek: i suggest you love yourself a little more… you will thank yourself one day, not to mention the life you save from smoking may be your childs… 👍

IMHO:thumbsup:

 
space ghost:
…i would think both equally lessen the value you place in yourself… :cool: if you smoke today, you are aware of the alledged ramifications to your health… if you cheat on a simple test (assuming test at school) your character suffers as well… so i give it a draw… both venial, both reducing yourself to something less than you were designed to be…

…should you sell your weakness as no big deal to someone else and that causes them temptation to mirror your behavior???
…could wind up being mortal…:eek: i suggest you love yourself a little more… you will thank yourself one day, not to mention the life you save from smoking may be your childs… 👍

IMHO:thumbsup:
For the most part, I agree. Both are undesirable, but that makes it the basis for discussion. If the question was “Would you be more upset with your teenager if you caught them cheating, or if you caught them eating all their vegetables and exercising” it wouldn’t be much of an issue.

Basically, the whole point is not if you want either of the circumstances, but if you prefer poor health habits to poor character. Sure, one can argue that poor health habits are also poor character, but most wouldn’t put them on the same level as things like stealing (which is what cheating really is).

For those who think smoking is just as bad or worse than cheating, ponder these questions:
  1. Would you be more upset if you found out your doctor smoked or if they cheated on medical exams?
  2. Would you trust your business partner more if they smoked or if they “cheated” when they worked on the books?
  3. Would you be more upset if you found out your child’s bus driver smoked, or if he cheated on the driving exam?
I would be upset if my child smoked–in fact, as long as they were minors and under my roof, I wouldn’t tolerate it. But I would be far more ashamed and upset if my child grown to be a dishonest person with bad character, than I would if they were a good person with an unhealthy habit.

I’m certainly not saying a doctor who disregards health to smoke is faultless. I’m merely saying some things are bad, such as smoking, and others are far worse, such as cheating. After all, Hitler never smoked, but those who lead the fight against him (Roosevelt and Churchill) smoked.
 
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turboEDvo:
Cigarettes vs. cheating on an exam.

I say cheating. Smoking may be harmful, but if it is more sinful than cheating, then so is eating McDonalds or not exercising for an hour a day. That’s my opinion. I would never smoke, but I do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself. I had a friend kill himself, and I would rather see him alive and smoking a cigarette right now.

Eamon
Get real!!! You have got to be kidding!!! You do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself! Read a paper, go to a hospital, call the American Cancer Society, ask a doctor, talk to a smoker, open your eyes and ears, listen to the horror stories, go to the American Cancer Walk for Life, contact the American Heart Association. The list is endless if you want to educate yourself how to equate smoking with killling yourself. I challenge you to call the American Cancer Society at 1-800-227-2345 and post what they said about smoking.
 
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snoopy:
Get real!!! You have got to be kidding!!! You do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself! Read a paper, go to a hospital, call the American Cancer Society, ask a doctor, talk to a smoker, open your eyes and ears, listen to the horror stories, go to the American Cancer Walk for Life, contact the American Heart Association. The list is endless if you want to educate yourself how to equate smoking with killling yourself. I challenge you to call the American Cancer Society at 1-800-227-2345 and post what they said about smoking.
I’m sorry…I didn’t realize that lighting up was the exact same as putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Not that I would know or anything, as I know smokers, and I know somebody who killed himself.

I didn’t say smoking wasn’t bad, but I am trying to refute the argument that smoking is a mortal sin because it shortens your life. Well guess what, so does fast food. So does not exercising. Are those mortal sins? Is that commiting suicide? Not in my mind. Yes, smoking causes cancer, and yes it is not good for others around you. But, guess what, news flash, the first time you light a cigarette is quite disimilar from shooting yourself in the head.

Eamon
 
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snoopy:
Get real!!! You have got to be kidding!!! You do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself! Read a paper, go to a hospital, call the American Cancer Society, ask a doctor, talk to a smoker, open your eyes and ears, listen to the horror stories, go to the American Cancer Walk for Life, contact the American Heart Association. The list is endless if you want to educate yourself how to equate smoking with killling yourself. I challenge you to call the American Cancer Society at 1-800-227-2345 and post what they said about smoking.
Smoking is no doubt bad, even deadly if done in excess. However, I don’t believe that unhealthy is as bad as dishonest. My point is not to trivialize unhealthy habits, but to emphasize that good character is more important.
 
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turboEDvo:
Cigarettes vs. cheating on an exam.

I say cheating. Smoking may be harmful, but if it is more sinful than cheating, then so is eating McDonalds or not exercising for an hour a day. That’s my opinion. I would never smoke, but I do not see how anybody equates smoking with killing yourself. I had a friend kill himself, and I would rather see him alive and smoking a cigarette right now.

Eamon
It is not saying smoking only is a way of killing oneself, they are jsut trying to point out that it is a means of shortening lifetimes and also harming the body that God gave to you so that you could give greater glory to Him. He just doesnt’ want you to misuse it. I know that smoking is not the same as killing yourself like Lewis, but it is also very harmful to yourself and to others and is a main cause for cancer. I argree that cheating is worse, but smoking can also be very detrimental.
 
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Fashina86:
It is not saying smoking only is a way of killing oneself, they are jsut trying to point out that it is a means of shortening lifetimes and also harming the body that God gave to you so that you could give greater glory to Him. He just doesnt’ want you to misuse it. I know that smoking is not the same as killing yourself like Lewis, but it is also very harmful to yourself and to others and is a main cause for cancer. I argree that cheating is worse, but smoking can also be very detrimental.
Agreed.

Eamon
 
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turboEDvo:
I’m sorry…I didn’t realize that lighting up was the exact same as putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger. Not that I would know or anything, as I know smokers, and I know somebody who killed himself.

I didn’t say smoking wasn’t bad, but I am trying to refute the argument that smoking is a mortal sin because it shortens your life. Well guess what, so does fast food. So does not exercising. Are those mortal sins? Is that commiting suicide? Not in my mind. Yes, smoking causes cancer, and yes it is not good for others around you. But, guess what, news flash, the first time you light a cigarette is quite disimilar from shooting yourself in the head.

Eamon
Shooting yourself in the head is immediate. Death by smoking may take longer. Does that make you less dead?
What about my challenge to post what the American Cancer Society has to say about smoking?
 
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snoopy:
Shooting yourself in the head is immediate. Death by smoking may take longer. Does that make you less dead?
What about my challenge to post what the American Cancer Society has to say about smoking?
No it doesn’t, but smoking also holds the advantage of being able to quit and go through recovery to try to rid the body of some carcinogenic matter, increasing lifespan. It is more forgiving, than just the immediate shooting in the head. Consequences, in the long term, are the same and both do show an acute disrespect for the body. I don’t know…
 
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