Would you consider yourself to be a good person?

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Dear av1611,

Just out of curiosity my dear friend can you answer me the following?

When you marry in your faith community, do you wear a wedding ring?
Will your bride wear a wedding dress and carry flowers?
Will you have many witnesses present?
 
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Fergal:
Dear av1611,

Just out of curiosity my dear friend can you answer me the following?

When you marry in your faith community, do you wear a wedding ring?
Will your bride wear a wedding dress and carry flowers?
Will you have many witnesses present?
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GO IRISH! 👍
 
my my, you are so ignorant to the Word of God.

Have you ever heard about reading things in context?

You will find that James, is talking about something different.

Please don’t parade me with numerous questions, i am only one man, and can;t answer them all in one post 🙂

I will be going away on hoidays in 2 hours, please ask no more questions about this, as when i get back, i will answer all the ones asked, and then you can ask new ones
 
av1611

In view of this poster’s flagrant anti-Catholic bias and the insulting demeanor of his posts I recommend that we all simply refuse to answer him any more. If he continues such posts we can always report him… :mad:
 
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av1611:
My friend, i am not sure were you are getting that Catholic teaching from. Catholics believe in works to get you to heaven
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Faith without good works is dead, the Bible says it.
Jesus said only God was good, and we have examples of prayer in the Bible.
When one man was saying how good he was in front of God and not being like the rest, and then we had the man that went into the Temple and said “Lord have mercy on me a sinner”.
I deliberately didn’t post chapter and verse, if you know your Bible, then you’ll know what I’m talking about.
Which of the two prayers do you think pleased God ?
 
Church Militant:
In view of this poster’s flagrant anti-Catholic bias and the insulting demeanor of his posts I recommend that we all simply refuse to answer him any more. If he continues such posts we can always report him… :mad:
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my friend, i am just telling you what the Bible says, if you find it offensive, take it up with God
 
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av1611:
The Bible is my authority, and only authority, i don’t rely on that of a fallble Church, made by man.

Sir, i find it quite interesting how made no comments on the numerous scripture verses, that show salvation through “good works”, is a plate of balony
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== Your “only authority” ? Do you want to be held to that ?

Christ is greater than the Bible. He is more truly the Word of God than that written Word can be, for it is work and He is its main Theme.

Only God invents churches - not mere men. Christ invented the Church; if mere men had done so, it would long ago have collapsed. It is quite unScriptural to deny that Christ founded it, since He said “…I will build my Church…”, and “…He is the head of the corner…”. I detest unScriptural and Bible-denying views 😦 ==
 
I think it is better not to jump at the bait of yet another Catholic-basher, telling me what I believe. The truth is out there (start with CA main site).

See also Matthew 7:6.
 
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dumspirospero:
Faith without works is a lost cause…faith alone will not get you to heaven my friend…when you stand in judgement, God will ask you simple questions, such as “when I was hungry, did you give me food?; when I was thirsty, did you give me drink?, etc” You must live the beatitudes…those are actions of love…so there is no salvation without works.
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John 6:39-40 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This is the work that counts.
 
My dear av1611,

What about the wedding questions? An answer please before you go on holidays? Ahem.
I feel the holidays are a great way to get out of something you obviously had no idea about.
 
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av1611:
my friend, i am just telling you what the Bible says, if you find it offensive, take it up with God
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No…you are telling us what YOUR denomination (founded by MEN) tells you to believe about our religion. You show neither compassion nor christian humility in your posts and you show a brazen lack of knowlege of real Catholic teaching which tells me that you have not read our apologetics works, even right here on this site. You have done nothing but attack our beliefs since your very first post here (I looked at them all). If this is your idea of Christian love then I certainly don’t want any of it. I spent 34 years among people like you and then came home after checking out the allegations of guys like you. I found that you are wrong…dead wrong, about all that you say about Catholicism and I will stand you and your like down every time I encounter your ignorant and bigoted attacks. Please go feed your ego at someone else’s expense.
 
Way to go Church Militant!!! We need to remember what Jesus said. “No kingdom divided against itself can stand.” How many Protestant denominations are there now?
Let them keep fractioning and dividing within their own camp.
No need for told ya so then huh???
 
Church Militant:
Please go feed your ego at someone else’s expense.
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Hey Church Millitant, why didn’t you just say it out straight ? 😉
 
New Heart:
John 6:39-40 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This is the work that counts.
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So…let the hungry starve, let the thirsty perish of thirst, let the naked die of exposure, let the homeless remain so, let those sick and in prison remain alone and without a visiting friend… Matthew 25:31-46 :cool:
 
Friend,
You should tell us why your interpretation of scripture trumps ours? You say that James is talking about something different well we disagree, don’t we. If you want to just quote things from the Bible, then you should back it up. You have said several false statements about Catholics then started attacking those false statements you stated.
Most of us are here in search of a better understanding of the truth, you should have a more charitable tone and if you disagree with what the Catholic Church teaches ask a question.
Ask one honest question and we can chat in an effort to come to the truth, not drown out all responses with noise. You are doing yourself a disservice by just posting and saying your opinion.
So why is your interpretation of the Bible valid and why do you believe what you believe?
 
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Fergal:
Way to go Church Militant!!! We need to remember what Jesus said. “No kingdom divided against itself can stand.” How many Protestant denominations are there now?
Let them keep fractioning and dividing within their own camp.
No need for told ya so then huh???
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:amen: YUP! It’s not wise to mess w/the Irish Catholics is it now? 😃
 
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dumspirospero:
Also…in your previous post, you said something disturbing…you made a comment about idoltry…I don’t think you comprehend the true meaning of idoltry…I suggest you read and learn more before making false assumptions…according to your statement…If I were to pray with a Cross or Crucifix, I would be worshiping false idols…Give me a break.
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**IV. “YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . .”
**2129 **The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. “He is the all,” but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68 **
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, **God **ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, **the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new “economy” of images. **
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, “the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype,” and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a “respectful veneration,” not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71
2138 **Superstition is a departure from the worship that we give to the true God. It is manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic. **
2139 *Tempting God in words or deeds, sacrilege, and simony are sins of irreligion forbidden by the first commandment. (See indulgences and penance)
2141 The veneration of sacred images is based on the mystery of the Incarnation of the Word of God. It is not contrary to the first commandment.
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm#I

Why does the Catholic church presume to change the Word of God? There is nothing in the Bible that says God changed his mind on graven images.
Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Matthew 4:9-10 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 22:37-40** Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.**
Romans 1 is another good example.
Romans 1:20-23 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
So there is no change of mind. Graven images are an abomination to God and always have been.
 
Appears av1611 has departed on holidays. Well then Bon Voyage. It’s gonna be hot down there!
 
New Heart said:
**IV. “YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . .” **
2129 **The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. “He is the all,” but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68 **
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, **God **ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, **the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new “economy” of images. **
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, “the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype,” and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a “respectful veneration,” not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71
2138 **Superstition is a departure from the worship that we give to the true God. It is manifested in idolatry, as well as in various forms of divination and magic. **
2139 **Tempting God in words or deeds, sacrilege, and *simony **are sins of irreligion forbidden by the first commandment. (See indulgences and penance)
2141 The veneration of sacred images is based on the mystery of the Incarnation of the Word of God. It is not contrary to the first commandment.
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm#I

Why does the Catholic church presume to change the Word of God? There is nothing in the Bible that says God changed his mind on graven images.
Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Matthew 4:9-10 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 22:37-40** Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.**
Romans 1 is another good example.
Romans 1:20-23 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
So there is no change of mind. Graven images are an abomination to God and always have been.
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He sure did ordain the ark didn’t he now?We don’t worship statues or icons. And how many pictures of family members do you have in your house, while we are discussing picking and choosing:D God Bless
 
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