Would you find it easier to kill someone if you believed God supported you in the act?

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For example, it was easier for Abraham to try to kill his son, he didn’t obey his conscience or questioned whether it was right or wrong, he only wanted to do what God ordered him to do regardless, many such situations can be mentioned in the old testament, would you find it easier to kill someone if you believed like some of the prophets did that God allows you and encourage you to do it, specially that God doesn’t change over time.
 
For example, it was easier for Abraham to try to kill his son, he didn’t obey his conscience or questioned whether it was right or wrong, he only wanted to do what God ordered him to do regardless, many such situations can be mentioned in the old testament, would you find it easier to kill someone if you believed like some of the prophets did that God allows you and encourage you to do it, specially that God doesn’t change over time.
The way we discern things in a Catholic view is through an interior calling (conscience) but also it needs external validation. We have to seek and take seriously the counsels of the Church of her teachers (priests) and other informed Catholics. If after all of that, we believed God wanted us to kill someone, then yes. This goes beyond justified homicide in cases of defense or putting down aggressive violence towards others.

So, we could hear the voice of God calling us, but we’re living in the time of the grace of the New Testament. So, we have access to the divine teaching in the Church and we have to listen. If our conscience goes against Catholic doctrine, then we are not permitted to act on it.
 
For example, it was easier for Abraham to try to kill his son, he didn’t obey his conscience or questioned whether it was right or wrong, he only wanted to do what God ordered him to do regardless, many such situations can be mentioned in the old testament, would you find it easier to kill someone if you believed like some of the prophets did that God allows you and encourage you to do it, specially that God doesn’t change over time.
One of the interpretations of the Abraham scenario, according to Jewish thinking, is that Abraham did not argue enough with G-d against killing his son. His faithful obedience to G-d may have been admirable, but his willingness to do something which his conscience told him was very wrong was not so admirable. G-d may have been testing him in this way, as well as teaching him the danger involved in blind obedience without reason. It is also important that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, had no say regarding the killing of her son and was not even informed by her husband. This too was not admirable on Abraham’s part. In short, if G-d put Abraham to the test, Abraham did not pass.

So the answer to your question, in my view, is that if I thought G-d sanctioned my killing of an innocent person, I would have to ask myself several questions, one of which is whether G-d is testing my conscience and faithfulness to Him by NOT listening to what I believe he is telling me to do. Self-defense and wartime killing are another issue, though not for some, for example, Quakers.
 
Not sure…I keep thinking of the saying, “if you talk to God, it’s prayer, when God talks back it’s insanity.”

If it was unambiguous, then no problem. But there are ‘other’ elements we must deal with…

The commandment is “thou shalt not kill”, not “thou shalt not kill unless I tell you to…”
 
For example, it was easier for Abraham to try to kill his son, he didn’t obey his conscience or questioned whether it was right or wrong, he only wanted to do what God ordered him to do regardless, many such situations can be mentioned in the old testament, would you find it easier to kill someone if you believed like some of the prophets did that God allows you and encourage you to do it, specially that God doesn’t change over time.
Murderers find it easy to kill.
Executioners find it very difficult to kill.
The first is self-satisfying appetite, not obedience to anyone.
The second is obedience to the court’s sentence as a faithful servant of the court.

What Abraham did was more difficult than anything you have dreamed of doing, or any of us.

God is not in the business of suggesting we act immorally. God was proving to Abraham that Abraham loved God in the same way God loved Abraham.
The LORD poured his whole being into Abraham (swearing to be his God), and now Abraham was pouring his whole being into the LORD in reciprocal love (which is justice).
Isaac was not an independent individual, as we pretend we are today, he was Abraham’s heritage; he was the fulfilled promise of God. And Abraham was giving this life, this eternal future, back to God, fulfilling the reciprocation of life into the beloved.
 
No. Even 'though God commend Abraham to kill his son He recinded the command as it was a test of Abrahams love and obedience. Had Abraham killed his son it would have been murder, not a sacrifice. “Thou shalt not kill” is one of the commandments that God gave to man. Some would say “Well, what about in wartime?” and most soldiers would answer, “War is hell.”
Nowhere in the OT does God actually command murder…or at least I am not aware of it. Peace.
 
One of the interpretations of the Abraham scenario, according to Jewish thinking, is that Abraham did not argue enough with G-d against killing his son. His faithful obedience to G-d may have been admirable, but his willingness to do something which his conscience told him was very wrong was not so admirable. G-d may have been testing him in this way, as well as teaching him the danger involved in blind obedience without reason. It is also important that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, had no say regarding the killing of her son and was not even informed by her husband. This too was not admirable on Abraham’s part. In short, if G-d put Abraham to the test, Abraham did not pass.

So the answer to your question, in my view, is that if I thought G-d sanctioned my killing of an innocent person, I would have to ask myself several questions, one of which is whether G-d is testing my conscience and faithfulness to Him by NOT listening to what I believe he is telling me to do. Self-defense and wartime killing are another issue, though not for some, for example, Quakers.
Reading the Old Testament story, I see no displeasure from God that Abraham was willing to obey Him. I see where God blesses Abraham specifically because he was willing to sacrifice Issac. For this interpretation you gave, do you get it from somewhere else in the Bible, or is it from some other source?

It is interesting that as Christians this is such an obvious Tyoe of Jesus that Jews would not recognize.
 
This could be tricky , what if it’s not actually God ?
What if it’s Schizophrenia. ?
 
One of the interpretations of the Abraham scenario, according to Jewish thinking, is that Abraham did not argue enough with G-d against killing his son. His faithful obedience to G-d may have been admirable, but his willingness to do something which his conscience told him was very wrong was not so admirable. G-d may have been testing him in this way, as well as teaching him the danger involved in blind obedience without reason. It is also important that Abraham’s wife, Sarah, had no say regarding the killing of her son and was not even informed by her husband. This too was not admirable on Abraham’s part. In short, if G-d put Abraham to the test, Abraham did not pass.

So the answer to your question, in my view, is that if I thought G-d sanctioned my killing of an innocent person, I would have to ask myself several questions, one of which is whether G-d is testing my conscience and faithfulness to Him by NOT listening to what I believe he is telling me to do. Self-defense and wartime killing are another issue, though not for some, for example, Quakers.
Thank you for this information from the Jewish perspective. I always appreciate when I learn about our fore bearers point of view.
 
Reading the Old Testament story, I see no displeasure from God that Abraham was willing to obey Him. I see where God blesses Abraham specifically because he was willing to sacrifice Issac. For this interpretation you gave, do you get it from somewhere else in the Bible, or is it from some other source?

It is interesting that as Christians this is such an obvious Tyoe of Jesus that Jews would not recognize.
James gives the common Christian belief on it. In chapter 2: 18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? 21 **Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; **23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (BTW for all our Sola Fide friends. This is the only place the Bible puts the words “faith” and “alone” next to each other. In case you were wondering).
 
God was testing Abraham. He never intended any harm to come. Do not read more into it than that. Pray that you are not put to the test.
 
God was testing Abraham. He never intended any harm to come. Do not read more into it than that. Pray that you are not put to the test.
To assume that an omniscient being would need to resort to “testing” is ridiculous.
 
For me, it definitely would be easier if God told me to do it. I believe that God still speaks to people, but it’s never a situation in which that voice was telling someone to do something as extreme as killing someone. However, that could change. If it was made clear to me, in a way I could not question, that God told me to kill someone, then yeah, I would kill someone. I’m being brutally honest. Who am I to question a commandment from Him?
 
To assume that an omniscient being would need to resort to “testing” is ridiculous.
Please don’t put words into his mouth. God doesn’t need to test anyone. However, for reasons that are best known to Him, He did it.
 
James gives the common Christian belief on it. In chapter 2: 18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? 21 **Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; **23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (BTW for all our Sola Fide friends. This is the only place the Bible puts the words “faith” and “alone” next to each other. In case you were wondering).
Thanks, I was actually wondering where the belief that God was not pleased that Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac comes from; the idea that Abraham actually failed the test God put to him.
 
Some Christian thinkers argue that Abraham knew God had promised that Abraham would father nations through Isaac, and therefore trusted that Isaac would be restored to him somehow. While he might not have understood, he trusted that God would keep his word regarding Isaac somehow. Some stress that Isaac would have reached the age of majority by this time. After all, having to carry up the wood for the pyre himself would be no easy task for a child, and that the adult Isaac knew what was going to be done and went willingly. So Isaac is not an unknowing helpless child in the scenario.

Speaking of the modern day, I think if anyone had a belief that God desired them to kill someone it’d be at least a little easier, but that goes without saying according to your parameters, whether its rational or not to have such a belief, or whether such a belief can have any basis in truth. But we’ve a much better understanding of the natural law and God’s revelation now, and are far removed from cultures where such a thing could seem normal.
 
i think it is situational.

if i am a solider then yes it would be easier

if it is an act of self defense again yes it would be easier

however, if it was a questionable situation than no it would not
 
To assume that an omniscient being would need to resort to “testing” is ridiculous.
God would not contradict Himself by giving us the commandment “Though shalt not kill” and then tell Abraham to kill his son. I see no reason that God would not “test” Abraham if it were meant for him to open his eyes in some manner. Peace.
 
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