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The world is sickening in its tolerance. We need more intolerance. Intolerance toward evil.
Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?
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Princess_Abby
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I agree. Except that I don’t think attending a little child’s birthday party is an act of evil, even if that little child’s parents don’t behave with perfect morality.
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Two separate issues. I was responding to your retort to Trelow.
The second issue is scandal. How public the scandal is would depend on whether a child should be intentionally exposed to manifest sin. In no way do I think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children. That is the first issue. The other issue is should we allow our children to be exposed to such things. My answer is no.
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felra
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This is true. But, once I had kids and realized the awesome responsibility to guide and nurture these totally to lessening dependent children, it definitely made me think twice about what they are being exposed to. Especially when they are younger and have not yet developed much sophistication in their selective screening and discernment of morality and values. Knowing what your child is capable of is of the utmost.
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As this culture caves in to license and grave sin more and more it will become harder to stand with the truth. As parents our goal should be to guide our children toward heaven. That means, at times, explaning that certain behaviors are very bad even when the people doing them seem polite and kind.
Many are deceived and it can be hard to point out deception when we allow ourselves to use emotion as a guide rather than Truth and charity.
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SusanL
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Princess_Abbey: I know that this quote was aimed at another poster but what tolerance are we supposed to be standing for? Would you clarify, please?
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Princess_Abby
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Susan, I don’t know what kind of clarification you’re requesting, but I’m unsure how my statement regarding Trelow’s subjective rudeness to EmDoogle is confusing to you?
I continue to wonder why certain posters are extremely rude in their remarks, all in the name of self-righteousness.
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Holly3278
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I honestly don’t know what I would do in that situation.
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It seems to me Trelow was using sarcasm to make a point in response to a post that really seemed beyond reasonable.
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GloriaPatri4
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**NINE WAYS OF BEING AN ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER’S SIN
- by counsel**
2. by command
3. by consent
4. by provocation
5. by praise or flattery
6. by silence
7. by assistance/partaking
8. by defense
9. by concealment
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SusanL
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You said that Trelow apparently doesn’t stand for tolerance. If you mean he was rude then I understand. ( I don’t agree but I understand).
However; if you mean tolerance in another sense, then say it.
btw, self-righeousness is going on both sides of the fence here.
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dwc
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I think two separate issues are being mingled here. First, if you vote no, you wouldn’t allow your kids to attend, does that mean you believe you are without sin? And second, what is your duty to your child?
The point has been made ad nauseum. We are all sinners. Some sins we struggle with and manage to “go and sin no more” (that sin, at least). Other sins are recurring and we keep struggling and falling. And some we just refuse to acknowledge as sins or against church teaching and continue with no plans of trying to comply with the church’s teaching. If a homosexual couple is living together, wearing wedding bands and adopting children together, I think that puts them in the last category.
So, as a parent trying to raise Catholic kids, what do you do? My daughter went to a sleepover at a very nice Catholic family from her Catholic school. Her father keeps a stash of pornographic magazines, which his daughter had found and brought out at the sleepover. My son went to a friend’s house and the little boy had gotten into his dad’s porno stash and my son brought home an explicit picture. Neither of my kids are allowed to go to these kids’ houses again.
Does anyone here have a problem with that? Am I being judgmental? Does the fact that I also sin mean that I must knowingly expose my kids to other people’s sins? To me, the answer is no. I try not to sin and to avoid exposing them to my sins, and I also won’t knowingly allow them to be exposed to a lifestyle (either pornography or homosexuality) which our faith teaches is wrong, in order to avoid having the “J” word slung at me.
Now, these other kids are welcome at my house, where I closely supervise what’s going on. The gay couple’s kids would also be welcome in my home. But I would explain to my kids that the lifestyle is wrong, no question about it. My sister lives with and has a son with a man. They have never married. I don’t pull punches about that, either, when my kids ask. I love my sister and nephew, they love their aunt and cousin, but I am not wishy washy with my kids about what God’s teachings are and if that means admitting my sister is “living in sin,” then that’s what I do. I try not to be overtly judgmental, but there’s no way to teach the truth of the faith and pretend someone’s actions are A-ok at the same time.
The point has been made ad nauseum. We are all sinners. Some sins we struggle with and manage to “go and sin no more” (that sin, at least). Other sins are recurring and we keep struggling and falling. And some we just refuse to acknowledge as sins or against church teaching and continue with no plans of trying to comply with the church’s teaching. If a homosexual couple is living together, wearing wedding bands and adopting children together, I think that puts them in the last category.
So, as a parent trying to raise Catholic kids, what do you do? My daughter went to a sleepover at a very nice Catholic family from her Catholic school. Her father keeps a stash of pornographic magazines, which his daughter had found and brought out at the sleepover. My son went to a friend’s house and the little boy had gotten into his dad’s porno stash and my son brought home an explicit picture. Neither of my kids are allowed to go to these kids’ houses again.
Does anyone here have a problem with that? Am I being judgmental? Does the fact that I also sin mean that I must knowingly expose my kids to other people’s sins? To me, the answer is no. I try not to sin and to avoid exposing them to my sins, and I also won’t knowingly allow them to be exposed to a lifestyle (either pornography or homosexuality) which our faith teaches is wrong, in order to avoid having the “J” word slung at me.
Now, these other kids are welcome at my house, where I closely supervise what’s going on. The gay couple’s kids would also be welcome in my home. But I would explain to my kids that the lifestyle is wrong, no question about it. My sister lives with and has a son with a man. They have never married. I don’t pull punches about that, either, when my kids ask. I love my sister and nephew, they love their aunt and cousin, but I am not wishy washy with my kids about what God’s teachings are and if that means admitting my sister is “living in sin,” then that’s what I do. I try not to be overtly judgmental, but there’s no way to teach the truth of the faith and pretend someone’s actions are A-ok at the same time.
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FiremanFrank
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Would I let my child attend a party in a gay household?
Simple answer to a simple question.
NO WAY, NO HOW.
Period.
Next question …
frank
Simple answer to a simple question.
NO WAY, NO HOW.
Period.
Next question …
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Princess_Abby
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Please refrain from telling me what I should or should not say in regards to a point I made to another poster.You said that Trelow apparently doesn’t stand for tolerance. If you mean he was rude then I understand. ( I don’t agree but I understand).
However; if you mean tolerance in another sense, then say it.
btw, self-righeousness is going on both sides of the fence here.
I am comfortable that I said what I meant to say THE FIRST TIME. I will not keep articulating a point–for your unneeded benefit–that was not originally directed at you.
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EucaristiaDiv
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Regardless of the kid’s age, being in a homosexual atmosphere can be not only uncomfortable but traumatic in many cases. What I mean by “traumatic” is the thoughts the child or adolescent will have. Not only does homosexuality provide a blurry and erronous idea of the true union of a couple, but as in this case, it can provide innocent victims with a devilish view.
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SusanL
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Touchy, aren’t we?
Look, I know you’re mad but you used the word “intolerant.” In subjects like this, that is usually code for “bigot.” You probably didn’t mean that but that was the clarification I was asking for.
Now, is everybody calm?
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Princess_Abby
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Obviously you still have no idea what I was even referring to, so…I’ll trust that you’re ready to butt out. Thanks, sweetheart!Touchy, aren’t we?
Look, I know you’re mad but you used the word “intolerant.” In subjects like this, that is usually code for “bigot.” You probably didn’t mean that but that was the clarification I was asking for.
Now, is everybody calm?
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