Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

[MaryB23]

NightRider:

I think *your *argument is assinine. You obviously know nothing about how homosexuals actually live. Most homosexual men are *not *members of NAMBLA. Plus, you *are *judging the state of homosexual peoples’ souls. I feel sorry for people like you because you are sooooo *afraid *of homosexuals, and what you *don’t *know. Homosexuals are everywhere, including our Church, and if everyone stood side by side you would not be able to pick out the homosexuals from the heterosexuals. Thank God.

I don’t want to put words into Trelow’s mouth, but my take on his NAMBLA example was not necessarily referring to this particular homosexual couple. I think he was just trying to show where sometimes people have to make judgments about others and certain situations. Maybe I’m way off, but that was my understanding. It drives me crazy when people say that being judgmental is a bad thing. That in and of itself is a judgment. ARGGGHHH!

And you are probably right when you say that “homosexuals are everywhere”. You are probably right when you say that we couldn’t pick out some homosexuals from heterosexuals. But that’s because those homosexuals don’t flaunt their lifestyle and try to make it seem like it’s a proper (or at least an acceptable) way to live. This case is vastly different in that they are pretending to be a married couple.

Personally, I think that sending my kids to this party WOULD be condoning the gay couple’s lifestyle and I probably wouldn’t let them go. I would have no problem having the kids over to my house, though.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

MaryB23:

It drives me crazy when people say that being judgmental is a bad thing. That in and of itself is a judgment. ARGGGHHH!

Very good point.

MaryB23:

And you are probably right when you say that “homosexuals are everywhere”. You are probably right when you say that we couldn’t pick out some homosexuals from heterosexuals. But that’s because those homosexuals don’t flaunt their lifestyle and try to make it seem like it’s a proper (or at least an acceptable) way to live. This case is vastly different in that they are pretending to be a married couple.

Exactly

MaryB23:

Personally, I think that sending my kids to this party WOULD be condoning the gay couple’s lifestyle and I probably wouldn’t let them go.** I would have no problem having the kids over to my house, though. **

I believe Condoning is what Cardinal Ratzinger is referring to:

From Considerations Regarding Proposals

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection**.**

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_2003073 1_homosexual-unions_en.html

I wouldn’t have a problem with having a child or children over at my house either although I wouldn’t think a gay couple would want their children at someones house who strongly opposed their lifestyle.

 

[Jesusismyhomie]

If I was a Mom I would definitely not allow that. Kids are confused enough about life without exposing them to that kind of a lifestyle. It is just wrong.

 

[Laurel]

I would not allow that; however, I would allow the children to play at my house. It is all about what they are exposed to, and although I will not always be able to control everything that they see and hear I have to do my best whan I can.

 

[NightRider]

rayne89:

NightRider it may have been helpful to share why your feelings are so strong on this matter. On another thread you posted your adoptive mother was a lesbian. I think if people knew you were that child that they are speaking of, the child of a homosexual parent -they would understand how hurt you are by peoples responses.

I appreciate your concern, rayne89, but I don’t think it should matter that my adoptive mother was a lesbian. In my opinion, people ought to think ahead before they post blanket generalizations about homosexuals. I am not hurt by their responses; rather I am saddened for *them. *If they actually thought about how their responses would actually feel to someone who was being raised (or had been raised) by homosexuals they might be more charitable, although I have begun to doubt that. The fact remains, that there are many like me, both young and old, Catholics who continue to endure widespread ignorant attitudes regarding homosexuals. People who have no familial experience with homosexuals make wide and sweeping claims about homosexuality that are patently false, but try telling them that. They believe what they believe, even if it is based on falsity and fear. They believe in their own interpretations of the Catechism; this is merely believing in one’s own interpretations, period. In my opinion, that is very dangerous ground.

 

[EmDoogle5]

teresas1979:

Although not a parent, I would allow my children to attend a party in a gay household. It would be a perfect opportunity for me to explain about homosexuals to my children. Also, just because these people are more open about their sin does not mean they are any more sinful. What about single parents who never married? What about those who are divorced and remarried? I could go on and on and on. Where do we draw the line on who our children associate with?

Particularly, I think that this entire discussion is disgusting. But I understand that it is the Catholic closeminded mindset to believe that homosexuality is evil.

But I will respond to this, that I think its wrong that you would permit your children to attend the party so that you can USE those parents as an example of what is wrong in their life.That’s horrible.

Enjoy your closemindedness, I’m glad it makes you feel superior.

 

[pnewton]

EmDoogle5:

But I understand that it is the Catholic closeminded mindset to believe that homosexuality is evil.

You do not know if those who accept the teaching of the church on homosexuality are close-minded, or have come to their belief in the evil of homosexuality the same way people of moral character have for the last two millenia. What is truly close-minded is to buy into the gay agenda of tolerance as promoted by the modern media without examining why the Bible, the Church and moral theologians have consistently taught this same truth.

 

[EmDoogle5]

pnewton:

You do not know if those who accept the teaching of the church on homosexuality are close-minded, or have come to their belief in the evil of homosexuality the same way people of moral character have for the last two millenia. What is truly close-minded is to buy into the gay agenda of tolerance as promoted by the modern media without examining why the Bible, the Church and moral theologians have consistently taught this same truth.

First of all… there is no “Gay Agenda”
However, I am curious to hear what you have to say on the topic of why homosexuality is evil. Do you believe it is because the purpose of male/female relations are for procreation? what DOES the Bible say on it?

 

[GloriaPatri4]

EmDoogle5:

First of all… there is no “Gay Agenda”
However, I am curious to hear what you have to say on the topic of why homosexuality is evil. Do you believe it is because the purpose of male/female relations are for procreation? what DOES the Bible say on it?

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5 (Note: Cross dressing)

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:4-9

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:24-27

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1st Timothy 1:8-10 (Note: aresenokoitais: A sodomite, A homosexual)

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1st Corinthians 6:9-11 (Note: aresenokoitais: A sodomite, A homosexual)

 

[felra]

EmDoogle5:

First of all… there is no “Gay Agenda”

Welcome to our planet …and what universe Sir/Madam have you been living in?

 

[felra]

NightRider:

People who have no familial experience with homosexuals make wide and sweeping claims about homosexuality that are patently false, but try telling them that. They believe what they believe, even if it is based on falsity and fear. They believe in their own interpretations of the Catechism; this is merely believing in one’s own interpretations, period. In my opinion, that is very dangerous ground.

Will you not admit that personal encounter/experience is not the sole or always the best basis for objectively (not just subjectively) understanding a lifestyle accommodating a disordered desire?

I believe that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is pretty straight forward and leaves little room for “interpretation” regarding homosexuality and homosexual acts.

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (CCC 2357)

Again, as Jesus as our model, love the sinner, hate the sin in His Divine mercy and justice.

 

[pnewton]

GloriaPatri4:

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

Thanks for looking it up. And lest we forget on this Catholic website, we do follow the Catechism:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

PS - If there is no gay agenda, why the parades and activist? If I were a member a a social group marching and protesting, you bet your boots we’d have an agenda!

 

[EmDoogle5]

felra:

Welcome to our planet …and what universe Sir/Madam have you been living in?

Oh, you know what? I’m sorry, you’re right… there IS a gay agdena.
However, it consist of basic human rights. The right to not be discrimeted again, or have hate crimes towards. To be able to live in a society and not feel inferior. To be able to have a lifestyle and not be judged or even beaten because of it.

That is SO wrong of them, isn’t it?

 

[EmDoogle5]

GloriaPatri4:

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

ect.

Thank you! I knew it was in there, I just wasn’t sure exactly where it was noted

 

[Trelow]

EmDoogle5:

First of all… there is no “Gay Agenda”

Lord have mercy.

Unless you have been comatose on some island off of Greenland for the last 40 years, your nuts.

 

[felra]

EmDoogle5:

Oh, you know what? I’m sorry, you’re right… there IS a gay agdena.
However, it consist of basic human rights. The right to not be discrimeted again, or have hate crimes towards. To be able to live in a society and not feel inferior. To be able to have a lifestyle and not be judged or even beaten because of it.

That is SO wrong of them, isn’t it?

And who is “them” that does not uphold the basic God given dignity and inalienable rights of their fellow man? As a disciple of Christ, I see not disagreement with your litany of “basic human rights” that each creature of God should be afforded and upheld.

However, this is not what the “gay agenda” folks are all about. They are pressing Chrisitians (and others who hold contrary beliefs) to accept and abide silently their sinful lifestyle and distorted worldview and understanding of the nature of man. In short, demanding that believers deny the truth of our Creator.

 

[fix]

felra:

Will you not admit that personal encounter/experience is not the sole or always the best basis for objectively (not just subjectively) understanding a lifestyle accommodating a disordered desire?

Right, it is called moral relativism and emotionalism. In order for us to accept the truth means reordering our lives and accepting authentic freedom is not license. Our culture despises such things.

What really frosts me is when the relativists claim to be “open minded” which is really a code phrase for being intolerant toward those with opposing views. These folks are not open minded.

 

[YinYangMom]

pnewton:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Thanks, pnewton for posting that…

So, providing my child likes this child and really wants to go to the party, wouldn’t my saying no to my child be discriminatory toward that child’s parents?

 

[fix]

YinYangMom:

Thanks, pnewton for posting that…

So, providing my child likes this child and really wants to go to the party, wouldn’t my saying no to my child be discriminatory toward that child’s parents?

It says unjust discrimination. Just discrimination is legitimate and necessary particularly when raising a child.

 

[Princess_Abby]

Trelow:

Lord have mercy.

Unless you have been comatose on some island off of Greenland for the last 40 years, your nuts.

Since you apparently don’t stand for tolerance, I’ll just tell you I think you’re really rude.