Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

[GloriaPatri4]

betrublu2Him:

Dear Gloria,

I completely and positively understand and sympathize with you for what you are going through. Your poll here indicates there is an overwhelming response for the ‘NO’s’. I believe you are on the right track. Keep the faith, pray, and just know sometimes we have to fight the good fight. We as parents have to work extra hard to educate our children about what is right, wrong, moral and immoral. Sin is all around us and even in our backyards. We send our children to Catholic schools hoping and assuming that everything will be Christian-like and all things will be wonderful. Unfortunately, that is not the case. There are two sides to everything. I just think you have much support at least here on the CA Forum. I wish you well. And do keep us informed of the details.

betrublu2Him,

Thank you for the support.

It just amazes how many people on this thread would risk their child’s soul by sending them into a highly immoral atmosphere just for the sake of another child’s happiness.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

pnewton:

Children do suffer for the sins of their parents. Sin often has an unpleasant consequences for generations to come. Ask any child who has seen his parent’s infidelity destroy a home. Parents must understand that the sin they commit will hurt more than themselves. This is unfortunately is a much bigger problem than a party list. Souls at stake.

** Jesus did not shun sinners. This is not what this thread is about. Jesus was an adult. I do not want my children raised shunning sinners, either, but I do want them raised to know and shun sin and that it is never an act of charity to confirm people in their mortal sin**.

Very well said.

 

[rayne89]

Trelow:

To potentially scandalize yoru child and possibly send him/her to hell, just to have one more person at a stinking party?

Can you explain the underlined part (I underlined it)? Are you saying a child attended a b-day party where the parents are gay may send him to hell?

 

[rayne89]

NightRider:

My, you really do enjoy extremes, eh? But thank you for not shouting in this post, dear!
God bless.

NightRider it may have been helpful to share why your feelings are so strong on this matter. On another thread you posted your adoptive mother was a lesbian. I think if people knew you were that child that they are speaking of, the child of a homosexual parent -they would understand how hurt you are by peoples responses.

 

[SusanL]

GloriaPatri4:

betrublu2Him,

Thank you for the support.

It just amazes how many people on this thread would risk their child’s soul by sending them into a highly immoral atmosphere just for the sake of another child’s happiness.

Hi GloriaPatri4. I think that because of all the extreme anger coming out of some of the posters that there is a factor that we aren’t aware of. These posters are otherwise wonderful to talk with on these forums, people who truly love Jesus. I think that there is a personal factor involved somewhere. Maybe a family member or a close friend who is homosexual. I have seen some of these posters on other threads and you can’t help but love them. :yup: They are not bad people. They’re not viewing this the same way as we are.
For them to exhibit so much hostility speaks more to me of incredible pain.

I have thought a lot about this thread. A lot about the posters who disagree so vehemently. Something inside me hurts when I think about the emotions jumping off the screen. I don’t even know these people but I care about them as they are my “computer” friends. (Sounds silly, doesn’t it? I know we’re not supposed to take things to heart.)

It is also very revealing about how far we all have to go in finding God’s will. Do we weigh this virtue against that virtue? I don’t think we’re supposed to weigh any virtue against another. All of God’s virtues are supposed to fit together neatly as a puzzle. Charity needs to be defined better. Loving always means being truthful (even when it hurts-- and boy does it smart!! )

Risking our children’s souls in this case means risking the influence of other people on them. When a child develops a relationship with an adult, they are much more likely to accept that adult’s viewpoints. Going to the party opens the door to the relationship. The way the world is today, we have to choose our friendships carefully because they influence us and therefore our behaviour and our lives.

 

[SusanL]

rayne89:

NightRider it may have been helpful to share why your feelings are so strong on this matter. On another thread you posted your adoptive mother was a lesbian. I think if people knew you were that child that they are speaking of, the child of a homosexual parent -they would understand how hurt you are by peoples responses.

That explains things better for me. Thank you, Rayne89.

I wish there was a way to state things without hurting people.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

SusanL:

Hi GloriaPatri4. I think that because of all the extreme anger coming out of some of the posters that there is a factor that we aren’t aware of. These posters are otherwise wonderful to talk with on these forums, people who truly love Jesus. I think that there is a personal factor involved somewhere. Maybe a family member or a close friend who is homosexual. I have seen some of these posters on other threads and you can’t help but love them. :yup: They are not bad people. They’re not viewing this the same way as we are.
For them to exhibit so much hostility speaks more to me of incredible pain.

I agree but I also think this also has a lot to do with the sypathazing with the innocent child who is the innocent victim when parents lead a sinful lifestyle. I believe people are feeling so bad for the child in these situations and that his/her life is already so messed up that they want to bring some happiness and justice to them by letting their own child attend their party even if it means exposing theirown child to a scandalous situation.
Susan L:

I have thought a lot about this thread. A lot about the posters who disagree so vehemently. Something inside me hurts when I think about the emotions jumping off the screen. I don’t even know these people but I care about them as they are my “computer” friends. (Sounds silly, doesn’t it? I know we’re not supposed to take things to heart.)

I know what you mean it hurts me too and I try my best not to respond back in a uncharitble manner when they post such angry responses. Please tell me if I have been offensive.
Susan L:

It is also very revealing about how far we all have to go in finding God’s will. Do we weigh this virtue against that virtue? I don’t think we’re supposed to weigh any virtue against another. All of God’s virtues are supposed to fit together neatly as a puzzle. Charity needs to be defined better. Loving always means being truthful (even when it hurts-- and boy does it smart!! )

There is a quote and I can’t remember who said it, I think it was a saint. “You can’t commit an evil act to justify an evil act”. I can’t remember the words exactly.

Risking our children’s souls in this case means risking the influence of other people on them. When a child develops a relationship with an adult, they are much more likely to accept that adult’s viewpoints. Going to the party opens the door to the relationship. The way the world is today, we have to choose our friendships carefully because they influence us and therefore our behaviour and our lives.

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I agree with you completely.**

 

[raymonde]

I posted this question in the Ask An Apologist
[thread=37910] click here! [/thread]category in February and the scandalous situation at our school is still continuing. I’m just amazed by some of the parents at the school who have no problem with the things which are still occurring in front of our innocent school children. I’m starting this new thread to try and get a feel as to why Catholic parents would expose their children to such a disordered lifestyle.

Question:

I believe in what Father Serpa said. Get to know the family, be open minded! Jesus was, is to all who believe. Do unto others as you would like done unto to you. Educate yourself! Have faith in you and your family! Above all, believe that “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord!” Professed what you believe! Your concerned should be about you and your family and for the Love of Jesus, God. Remember Matthew, Peter, Philip, John, Saul, James, Simon, Thomas, Judas, Andrew, Alpheus, and Thaddeus, theirs was not a perfect life, however, until Jesus called them to Him. Perhaps you should read about them, it may help you realize that your vision is distracted by the “unholy one!”

God bless

raymonde

 

[GloriaPatri4]

raymonde:

I believe in what Father Serpa said. Get to know the family, be open minded!

**Dear Raymonde,

Huh? :ehh:Where did Fr. Serpa write that?

This is what Father Serpa wrote:
Father Serpa:

I would suggest that you be friendly with such people, but not friends-and let your children see what charity REALLY is!

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Raymonde:

Jesus was, is to all who believe. Do unto others as you would like done unto to you. Educate yourself! Have faith in you and your family! Above all, believe that “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord!” Professed what you believe! Your concerned should be about you and your family and for the Love of Jesus, God. Remember Matthew, Peter, Philip, John, Saul, James, Simon, Thomas, Judas, Andrew, Alpheus, and Thaddeus, theirs was not a perfect life, however, until Jesus called them to Him. Perhaps you should read about them, it may help you realize that your vision is distracted by the “unholy one!”

God bless

raymonde

Are we reading the same question and answer? Are we on the same thread? Help me to understand where you are coming from.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends.

We’re so glad you could attend. Come inside, come inside.

I don’t care if a dude is a eunich. If I think my child is going to get molested he won’t go.

Otherwise I don’t really care. We’ve had gay friends, and they were no threat to my children. In fact, we didn’t know they were gay until my wife and I had known them for a total of maybe 15 years. If we’d have left our babies with them to watch for a while so we could run a quick errand for a minute, then gasp! Imagine what could have happened?

Will I let my children attend a party where they will witness men kissing each other passionately? No.

Will I let my children attend a party where they will witness a man and woman kissing each other passionately? No.

At least until they get old enough that they can get away with it, without my knowing about it.

Just call me a dude with four teenagers, a first grader and a third grader.

Alan

 

[raymonde]

Please read document in its entirety
[vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html](http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html)

My apoligies beforehand. I cannot help but remember that when the Bible was translated in this present language or the Hebrews or Egyptians, that many had of our languists are difficutly with words, that part of the Holy Tblets they found had missing parts, and some were so worned out, could not really be translated, to which were addressed “words” that ''were felt" to fit the Holy Scriptures. “To be able to make sense out of it.” Men, mere mortal men translated the scriptures. Because "trespasses fits better than Debtors, Human wordings again, debtors today has a different meaning? Thus men say, Trespass! Everytime the Bible is edited, new words show up and changes the meaning I believe of what really happened in the times of Jesus. Luke wrote the Gospel 40-50 years after The Ascension, no matter how much Luke expected it to be kept alive or how well Luke treated the skins he wrote on. There was still damage done to it. That was 50 years after Christ’s Ascension. Jesus also said. “I know what my Father told you, I am not going against my father by telling you this, however, today, I say to you, Love your enemies, pray for your enemies. Do not judge lets thy be judged!” There are many children being born, unwanted, abandonned in trash cans, streets, everywhere! some being born in families who abuse them and kill them! Would it be more Christian to have two people who cannot conceive children to adopt these children, to be loved, be warm and educated the way Jesus Christ would like to have his “little ones” taken care of? People who can procreate, however, some cannot and the ones who can are procreating for those who cannot and who would be a God Given family. If I could I would say, go back, to those first Holy Tablets, the Koran, surely today, some of our Languists are better educated. Faith, Faith in Jesus, Faith in the “today’s Bible.” I have faith in Church, however, I cannot judge and will not set judgment on anyone, thus, I say, Forgive and let God, Jesus, The father, The Son and The Holy Spirit be the judge. May your answers be of Holy Spirit and not of the flesh. May God, Jesus, have merci on us all.

May God Bless

raymonde

 

[Trelow]

rayne89:

Can you explain the underlined part (I underlined it)? Are you saying a child attended a b-day party where the parents are gay may send him to hell?

Not all children wil react to everything the same way, not all will take the same lesson from every experence.
There may be a child who doesn’t quite feel right as he is, and if by witnessing the powerful testomony of the “couple” it may give him some acceptance of the feelings. For others it may lead them to questioing of the same?

The possibilites are grave, and lasting. That is why scandal is the most vile sin, you are taking a purely innocent child and under the guise of authority, exposing them to that which may sever their relationship with Christ. In the majorty of cases no ill may come of it, but the chance is not worth a soul.

And rember that ones sins not only affect them, but everyone they have a relationship with, snowballing untill the final judgement. Not only will we have to answer for the scandal to the childred, but for that caused by them and so forth. If anythign is hell, that is it. Being in the glory of God and with full knowledge of the sins against Him that you prepetuated.

 

[raymonde]

Dear Raymonde,

Huh? :ehh:Where did Fr. Serpa write that?

This is what Father Serpa wrote:

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Are we reading the same question and answer? Are we on the same thread? Help me to understand where you are coming from.

Are you on the same thread? Help me understand where you are coming from! My apoligies, perhaps you do not read your bible!

God bless you.

raymonde

 

[raymonde]

Dear Raymonde,

Huh? :ehh:Where did Fr. Serpa write that?

This is what Father Serpa wrote:

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Are we reading the same question and answer? Are we on the same thread? Help me to understand where you are coming from.

Are you on the same thread? Help me understand where you are coming from! My apoligies, perhaps you do not read your bible!

God bless you.

raymonde

 

[GloriaPatri4]

I believe in what Father Serpa said. Get to know the family, be open minded! Jesus was, is to all who believe. Do unto others as you would like done unto to you. Educate yourself! Have faith in you and your family! Above all, believe that “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord!” Professed what you believe! Your concerned should be about you and your family and for the Love of Jesus, God. Remember Matthew, Peter, Philip, John, Saul, James, Simon, Thomas, Judas, Andrew, Alpheus, and Thaddeus, theirs was not a perfect life, however, until Jesus called them to Him. Perhaps you should read about them, **it may help you realize that your vision is distracted by the “unholy one!” **

God bless

raymonde

**What part of Father Serpa’s reponse did you believe?

Who is not professing what they believe?

Who is being distracted by the unholy one?

:ehh:
**

 

[Trelow]

raymonde:

Are you on the same thread? Help me understand where you are coming from! My apoligies, perhaps you do not read your bible!

God bless you.

raymonde

What did Jesus have to say about scandalizing children? Nothing good if I recall.

If my memory serves me, didn’t God blow Sodom and Gemorah to bits? And didn’t St. Paul teach that homosexuals will not see the kingdom of heaven? In fact isn’t a nice little section of Romans directed directly towards that notion?

So do you want to take that chance with your children? And thusly yourself? I redirect your attention to my post directly abouve yours. If you have a well formed rebuttal, for example one that is based in Sacred Scripture and Tridition, logic, and reason not feelings, I truly would love to hear it.

 

[felra]

AlanFromWichita:

I don’t care if a dude is a eunich. If I think my child is going to get molested he won’t go.

Otherwise I don’t really care. We’ve had gay friends, and they were no threat to my children. In fact, we didn’t know they were gay until my wife and I had known them for a total of maybe 15 years. If we’d have left our babies with them to watch for a while so we could run a quick errand for a minute, then gasp! Imagine what could have happened?

Alan

I have to question how “friends” can keep from disclosure their “gay” lifestyle for 15years.This sounds covert to me. Why would you want to be friends with someone who is in essence living a double lifestyle? Why their secrecy and hiding if this is a legitimate lifestyle and friendship? I personally would not want my dependent children to be influenced by them as role models for integrity; and this being the case, I would not allow my children to have unfiltered contact with this “couple”. I think that you being naive in presenting as “what one does behind closed doors does not affect me or my children”.

The risk of being molested is not the issue here. It sounds like you are going out of your way to defend this “gay” couple simply because they are “gay friends”. What if you found out after 15years of friendship that a couple has been hiding a promiscuous “lifestyle” (ex, swinging) that has moral implications, would you continue as if all were normal?

 

[SusanL]

felra:

I have to question how “friends” can keep from disclosure their “gay” lifestyle for 15years.This sounds covert to me. Why would you want to be friends with someone who is in essence living a double lifestyle? Why their secrecy and hiding if this is a legitimate lifestyle and friendship? I personally would not want my dependent children to be influenced by them as role models for integrity; and this being the case, I would not allow my children to have unfiltered contact with this “couple”. I think that you being naive in presenting as “what one does behind closed doors does not affect me or my children”.

The risk of being molested is not the issue here. It sounds like you are going out of your way to defend this “gay” couple simply because they are “gay friends”. What if you found out after 15years of friendship that a couple has been hiding a promiscuous “lifestyle” (ex, swinging) that has moral implications, would you continue as if all were normal?

I agree. Nobody is talking about molesting. Alan, Didn’t you read our posts? We’re talking about normalizing a grievously sinful lifestyle, one that has been defended and rejoiced in by the likes of television sitcoms, Oprah (she chastised an audience member once who spoke against it), music, etc. The Bible predicts how the good would be called evil and evil called good. Well, here is a prime example!! If God says that this is abhorrant to him, then why in the world would it be ok to let our kids look at this as normal or acceptable behaviour?

 

[fix]

felra:

I have to question how “friends” can keep from disclosure their “gay” lifestyle for 15years.This sounds covert to me. Why would you want to be friends with someone who is in essence living a double lifestyle? Why their secrecy and hiding if this is a legitimate lifestyle and friendship? I personally would not want my dependent children to be influenced by them as role models for integrity; and this being the case, I would not allow my children to have unfiltered contact with this “couple”. I think that you being naive in presenting as “what one does behind closed doors does not affect me or my children”.

The risk of being molested is not the issue here. It sounds like you are going out of your way to defend this “gay” couple simply because they are “gay friends”. What if you found out after 15years of friendship that a couple has been hiding a promiscuous “lifestyle” (ex, swinging) that has moral implications, would you continue as if all were normal?

Exactly my thoughts. “Gays” living that lifestyle in no way should be seen as leading the type of life any Christian should tolerate as acceptable or minimize.

 

[WhiteDove]

Kids don’t show up to birthday parties for lots of reasons. If you don’t approve of something about the living situation in a home that your child is invited to, then a polite ‘no thank you’ will probably do.

My little girl, in first grade, was friends with a little girl whose parents were rabidly pro invasion of Iraq. The little girl had been excitedly talking about how Alise would come to her party. Then, my daughters and I marched in a small peace march in our tiny town, where everyone knows everything. All of a sudden, Alise was told that she wouldn’t be invited.

I suspected that it was because of my sentiments about the war. I later found out from a friend that this very mother had flipped out when another little girl had brought over a Dixie Chick CD when she came over to play, and the mother had grabbed it and thrown it in her woodstove. So, I figured my suspicions were probably correct.

So, this is a part of the reality of life. I didn’t make a big issue of it, downplaying it with my daughter and she quickly got over not being invited to the party. I think it’s the adults who get bent out of shape more than the kids, who are mostly blissfully unaware.

I’m friendly with that woman, I see no reason to hold a grudge. She has problems, I think.

(P.S. This post was originally intended to the Illegitimate kid thread, which just got closed)