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GloriaPatri4
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Please read document in its entirety
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
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Trelow
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Darn tootin.
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felra
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**Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household? **No I would not.
I agree with previous posters that the ownness needs to reside with the offending couple living in a homosexual union (by all public apparent indicators). It would seem to me, that if this couple truly saw the sinfulness of their ways and sought to make their lives right with God, that they would be sending a different public message, would they not?
Surprisingly, many forum posters are too quick to “ignore the sin and love the sinner”. Are not the homosexual cohabiting couple making an aggressive statement and posturing of their values and beliefs? Why should not Catholic Christians likewise do the same? The risk is sending a mixed message of indifference/condoning for fear of offending (or having to deal with your own uncomfortableness of confronting another in public display of sin by what you do/don’t do, and perhaps say/don’t say).
I am against normalizing sinful lifestyles. I am for being in control of the influence that I allow my formative, impressionable children to be exposed to. By all means, I will respect, protect and honor the God given dignity of this couple’s children, but not at the expense of my own children, who are my first responsibility. To do less is to lower God’s standard and abdicate my God given duty to be a credible witness to the Gospel in this scenario.
Isaiah, *Chapter 62:10-12 *“Pass through, pass through the gates, prepare the way for the people; Build up, build up the highway, clear it of stones, raise up a standard over the nations. See, the LORD proclaims to the ends of the earth: Say to daughter Zion, your savior comes! Here is his reward with him, his recompense before him. They shall be called the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD, And you shall be called “Frequented,” a city that is not forsaken.”
I agree with previous posters that the ownness needs to reside with the offending couple living in a homosexual union (by all public apparent indicators). It would seem to me, that if this couple truly saw the sinfulness of their ways and sought to make their lives right with God, that they would be sending a different public message, would they not?
Surprisingly, many forum posters are too quick to “ignore the sin and love the sinner”. Are not the homosexual cohabiting couple making an aggressive statement and posturing of their values and beliefs? Why should not Catholic Christians likewise do the same? The risk is sending a mixed message of indifference/condoning for fear of offending (or having to deal with your own uncomfortableness of confronting another in public display of sin by what you do/don’t do, and perhaps say/don’t say).
I am against normalizing sinful lifestyles. I am for being in control of the influence that I allow my formative, impressionable children to be exposed to. By all means, I will respect, protect and honor the God given dignity of this couple’s children, but not at the expense of my own children, who are my first responsibility. To do less is to lower God’s standard and abdicate my God given duty to be a credible witness to the Gospel in this scenario.
Isaiah, *Chapter 62:10-12 *“Pass through, pass through the gates, prepare the way for the people; Build up, build up the highway, clear it of stones, raise up a standard over the nations. See, the LORD proclaims to the ends of the earth: Say to daughter Zion, your savior comes! Here is his reward with him, his recompense before him. They shall be called the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD, And you shall be called “Frequented,” a city that is not forsaken.”
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SusanL
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felra said:
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
This is hard for people to accept. They feel compassion for the children (and rightly so) but compassion can be shown without putting our children at risk. In fact, this would be an excellent way to show compassion without condoning the sinful behaviour: send a lovely present with regrets.
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SusanL
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Three questions for the “Pro-party” posters:
- Are you in agreement that this public display (remember they have rings) of active homosexuality is a mortal sin?
- How important is narrowing down the amount of “mortal sin” exposed to your kids to you?
- Would you allow your kids to go to someone’s party that they didn’t like knowing that most of the class wasn’t going either?
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Lilyofthevalley
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So making a kids happy by coming to his party is more important than protecting your children form scandal?
Seriously, it would have nothing to do with my child’s happiness, it would have to do with the poor child you believe in ostracizing in the name of your “righteous indignation”. You can attempt to justify such cruelty and you can fool yourself but what you are proposing,ostracizing a child, is evil.
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Lilyofthevalley
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I ask this last question because that happened to a kindergartener in my daughter’s class. The party was at a Chuck E Cheese’s and only 2 of the kids from class showed up. The party boy’s behaviour in school wasn’t good.
Maybe the boy has emotional problems or is autistic. Do you folks have any compassion or are you that in love with your religiosity where you can’t feel compassion?
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Lilyofthevalley
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This is hard for people to accept. They feel compassion for the children (and rightly so) but compassion can be shown without putting our children at risk.
Risk of what? If you have a proper household and bring your children to church your children won’t be affected. Or is gay behavior a disease you catch like TB or something?Yeah right John Paul 2 said to ostracize children. Keep trying to justify it folks. I am sure it FEELS SOO GOOD to ostracize a child. There is one who feels a kindergartener should be ostracized. I suppose she would ostrasize a retarded kid too, because they are different and “act out” and her kid might catch it too.
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blueadept
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- YES
- Very. In my 4 step-kids case, the gay person is their father, but he doesn’t openly have a gay friend in front of the kids. He saves it for when we have the kids. I’ve mentioned that I have to know the situation the kids are going into very well.
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SusanL
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Lily, what makes you think I have no compassion? The boy isn’t autistic. He may be going through problems at home, I don’t know for sure but his behaviour at school is a real problem.
Btw, my daughter went to that party. She was one of the two.
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SusanL
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You are WAY out of line. No one is saying to ostracize the children but I will not (emphasize not) send my kids to a place that normalizes major grievous sin.
Shame on you for your mean-spirited generalizations.
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NightRider
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No, it is NOT Jesus pounding the drum, it is GloriaPatri4 and her army. And I am NOT a brother.
I do not believe Jesus would lead any army like this one on this thread. Thank God.
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Princess_Abby
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I asked Gloria a question regarding why she keeps allowing her children to attend this apparently heinous Catholic school environment, and she didn’t really have an answer that doesn’t include compromising her children–the very thing she hopes not to do by attending the party. Standing up for what she believes in is apparently worth the continuation of exposing her children to this saturated environment of homosexuality-lifestyle acceptance.
Sooooo…protesting it is worth keeping your children in a morally grevious situation?
I think if it was all that scandalous, Gloria would have pulled her children a long time ago. Or wait…is her agenda more important?
Sooooo…protesting it is worth keeping your children in a morally grevious situation?
I think if it was all that scandalous, Gloria would have pulled her children a long time ago. Or wait…is her agenda more important?
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Trelow
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I don’t use gender inclusive language, just like good bible translations! Everyone is my brother, even my sisters.
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GloriaPatri4
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Dear Lilyofthevalley,
Would you let your child attend a party in a household which used and sold drugs even though you were fairly sure that they wouldn’t be using and selling drugs the day of their child’s birthday?
Would you let your child attend a party in a household of a man who was cohabitating with three different women (polygamist) and had his children from the these women present?
Would you let your child attend a party in a household where they worshiped Satan and had witchcraft and satanic artwork around the house?
Would you let your child attend a party in a household where the parents were pro-choice activists and maybe even had pro-choice propaganda around the house?
Would you let your child attend a party in a household of parents who own and operate a exotic dance club when you knew most of the exotic dancers and some clientele of this club would also be there with their children?
All of the examples above of different lifestyles that parents choose are never the fault of their children. but it’s not your child’s fault either so why would you expose your child to it?
I liked the ideas of some of the other posts of sending a present with regrets of not being able to attend.
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NightRider
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Why do you have to shout at everyone with your huge bold font???
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Trelow
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I do believe thatI had phrased the question in reference to the unfortunite child, not yours.
And if your answer remaind unchanged, SHAME ON YOU!
To potentially scandalize yoru child and possibly send him/her to hell, just to have one more person at a stinking party? Make no mistake YOU are primalrly responsable for your child’s salvation, even after they have grown.
This is completley inexcusable behavior! What part of Matt 18:6 do you fail to grasp?
And that goes for all who feel the same!
FOR SHAME!
Call us what you will, but alas, yall need to pull your heads out of your stinking ol’ temporal gultes.
Scandal to children is the most evil thing there is!
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