Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

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vegpotter:
You do know that NAMBLA stands for Man/Boy, right? They’re child molesters, not gay adult men having a relationship. This is a completely different topic.
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And they are just as convinced that their lifestyles choices are okay and should be accepted as homosexuals are. If there is not absolute standard for sin, they have a vaild arguement.

Besides, this entire issue is not about judging any individual person. It is about a parent’s responsibility to use prudent judgement. There is a great Baptist church down the street, filled with wonderful people. I am not going to judge them, but my children are not going to go to church there because it works against what I am teaching them as a parent.
 
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trailblazer:
I would allow my child to attend a party in a gay household because the Church does not teach that being gay is sinful; rather, it is engaging in homosexual activity. I would be sure my child understood the teachings and would not be influenced by immorality.
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Dear Trailblazer,

Why would you want to risk your child’s soul? How would you be sure that your child was not influenced by the immorality in a gay household? Here is an example: Your child’s best friend Bobby is the child of a gay couple. The gay couple are just the nicest people in the world and your child thinks that Bobby has the coolest Dads in the world. These Dads are always at all the school functions, they are really involved in church and all the other kids think they are the greatest too. Do you think by telling your child that homosexual activity is wrong and the only homosexuals that he’s known are the coolest Dads in the world do you think it will sink in?
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trailblazer:
I believe if Jesus were living today, we’d probably find him in gay bars evangelizing with his love, kindness, forgiveness-- yet strong moral stand against sexual activity.
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Do you think Jesus would be taking children with him into to these gay bars so that they might see his evangelization in action?
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Dear Trailblazer,

Why would you want to risk your child’s soul? How would you be sure that your child was not influenced by the immorality in a gay household? Here is an example: Your child’s best friend Bobby is the child of a gay couple. The gay couple are just the nicest people in the world and your child thinks that Bobby has the coolest Dads in the world. These Dads are always at all the school functions, they are really involved in church and all the other kids think they are the greatest too. Do you think by telling your child that homosexual activity is wrong and the only homosexuals that he’s known are the coolest Dads in the world do you think it will sink in?

Do you think Jesus would be taking children with him into to these gay bars so that they might see his evangelization in action?
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I’m confused as to why you are keeping your vulnerable children at this Catholic school if you are truly worried about scandal and the possibility of warping them for life by their witnessing of such flaming homosexual behavior? Since it appears, by your careful reporting, that these aforementioned “Dads” are showing up at mass, lunch, the playground, etc…“flaunting” their oh-so-nasty personal lives everywhere…gosh, isn’t the fragile morality of your children being slowly wittled away? Why is it okay to expose them at church, school, the playground, the lunchroom…but not at a backyard birthday party with you in attendance as well? Hmmmm. Are you keeping them in school for the sole purpose of being able to protest it? Gosh, is that really in the best interest of your children if you are TRULY terrified for their moral development and not just pushing your own agenda? Wouldn’t a parent who is as seemingly concerned as you appear to be, desire to take their child out of harm’s way IMMEDIATELY?

Since you asked for suggestions re: approaching these men-- and yes, I do think it is your place instead of going straight to the priest and then all the way to the Vatican without first breathing even a WORD of concern to these unsuspecting men–I would call them up and invite them to lunch and choose to discuss my concerns in a kind and compassionate way. Maybe they keep living the way they are living because no one bothers to say anything and no one troubles themselves with challenging their moral decisions. Aren’t we supposed to take our concerns directly to the person we fear is sinning before we alert the priests and…um, the Vatican?

Could you also clarify for me what exactly is different about a homosexual lifestyle and the lifestyle of an internet porn addict, chronic masturbator, binge drinker, drug abuser, frequent mass skipper, pre-marital sex fanatic, etc? Where exactly do you draw the line when it comes to not exposing your children to individuals who --gasp-- mortally sin? Won’t your children be equally scandalized when they go over to Susie’s house and find out that her mother regularly skips mass? Or what about when your little boy gets together with his buddies in a few years and they accidentally come across his friend John’s dad’s personal porn collection? (Do you allow your children unsupervised playdates?) What if your little girl is sitting in a Chilis restaurant with her happy Catholic family but she looks over and sees a parishoner getting a little buzzed at the bar? What if your little boy is sitting in mass and he sees a scantily clad, inappropriately dressed young girl? Should we kick that nasty girl to the curb for her immodesty? How do you and how will you in the future handle common situations such as these, in your quest to root out scandal? Shouldn’t each situation be treated with meticulous care and should I prepare myself for several threads to be posted about each issue?

You may think that you can pick out “safe” Catholic families based on appearance, socio-economic status, education of parents and general health and well-being of the children, but think again. There are so many silent epidemics of abuse and neglect and dysfunction that go on in even the most affluent families…whether or not the children have a mom and a dad or two moms and/or two dads.

If you’re going to kick the homosexuals out, make sure you kick everyone else out too that doesn’t quite fit The Perfect Practicing Catholic Criteria.
 
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Princess_Abby:
I’m confused as to why you are keeping your vulnerable children at this Catholic school if you are truly worried about scandal and the possibility of warping them for life by their witnessing of such flaming homosexual behavior? Since it appears, by your careful reporting, that these aforementioned “Dads” are showing up at mass, lunch, the playground, etc…“flaunting” their oh-so-nasty personal lives everywhere…gosh, isn’t the fragile morality of your children being slowly wittled away? Why is it okay to expose them at church, school, the playground, the lunchroom…but not at a backyard birthday party with you in attendance as well? Hmmmm. Are you keeping them in school for the sole purpose of being able to protest it? Gosh, is that really in the best interest of your children if you are TRULY terrified for their moral development and not just pushing your own agenda? Wouldn’t a parent who is as seemingly concerned as you appear to be, desire to take their child out of harm’s way IMMEDIATELY?
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Dear Princess,

Please refer to post 58
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GloriaPatri4:
  1. If you have read any of the other threads on this subject (I don’t know which ones you’ve read) then you know we have sent packages with letters and other evidence to various congregations in the Vatican. **We have been told that we can only protest this thing if we still have children enrolled in the school.
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  2. I feel that by leaving we are giving up and giving in. After all we do love the school and the church. I believe we should stand up for what is right as uncomfortable as it may be, and believe me it is very uncomfortable. There are many families and I’m sure some faculty members that would love nothing more than to see our families (the opposing families) leave the school.
  3. I believe that the Catholic Churches and schools in our country are in the shape that they’re in (moral decline, heretical, dissenting teaching, etc.) because people don’t address the issues, stand up for their rights, defend the church teachings, etc. they just leave for greener pastures.
I have given some serious thought to homeschooling and we may do that but not right now. Three of the opposing families that I’m aware of are planning on homeschooling next year. A couple families are switching to public school. Their mentality is: Their children will be exposed to the same thing in a public school (at least they know what to expect) as they are presently exposed to in this Catholic school but they won’t be paying tuition. They get to experience it for free. They feel it is worse to see this kind of thing happening at a Catholic school because the Catholic school is talking the talk but they’re not walking the walk. They are not practicing what they are preaching.
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GloriaPatri4:
We will wait to hear what the Vatican has to say. And if we don’t hear from them and this stuff still continues we to will leave for greener pastures but not without knowing that we fought the good fight first.
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Princess_Abby:
Since you asked for suggestions re: approaching these men-- and yes, I do think it is your place instead of going straight to the priest and then all the way to the Vatican without first breathing even a WORD of concern to these unsuspecting men–I would call them up and invite them to lunch and choose to discuss my concerns in a kind and compassionate way. Maybe they keep living the way they are living because no one bothers to say anything and no one troubles themselves with challenging their moral decisions. Aren’t we supposed to take our concerns directly to the person we fear is sinning before we alert the priests and…um, the Vatican?
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Dear Princess,

Have you read the original threads regarding this situation?

Please click on links below

Group still opposes enrolling kids of gay or unmarried parents in Catholic schools

Bishop Brown answers my letter and sends one the same day to SJB pastor, 2-10-05.

I do regret not having the courage to approach them early on in the school year but I doubt things would have turned out much differently. If we were to approach the men now we would be accused of harrassment.
 
GP4: I find it really sad you have made this into your own personal crusade, marching to the Vatican. You are gathering your army on these forums by asking a thinly veiled question, when you are actually seeking self-justification.

Your drum is now quite deafening. This Catholic will never march to your drum.
 
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Princess_Abby:
Could you also clarify for me what exactly is different about a homosexual lifestyle and the lifestyle of an internet porn addict, chronic masturbator, binge drinker, drug abuser, frequent mass skipper, pre-marital sex fanatic, etc?
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Please refer to post # 71

Princess,

**The difference in this particular situation is that these men are publicly displaying their sin at a Catholic school and parish. **

**The sins you mention are a very grave matter too. **

If I saw parents walking around the school campus wearing shirts that read “I Love Internet porn”** ,**
"Chronic Masturbator and proud of it" or " So I had pre-marital sex, what of it?" These are examples of displaying and advocating sins in a public manner. If a parent came on school campus high on drugs, drunk or they boasted all the time in front of children about not going to Sunday Mass because they think it’s boring this is also an example of publicly displaying sins. Most sins are hidden from view it doesn’t lessen the sins but at least they are not causing scandal.
 
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NightRider:
GP4: I find it really sad you have made this into your own personal crusade, marching to the Vatican. You are gathering your army on these forums by asking a thinly veiled question, when you are actually seeking self-justification.

Your drum is now quite deafening. This Catholic will never march to your drum.
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Peace of Christ be with you NightRider.
 
I would let my kids go. I wouldn’t feel threatened by the situation, I would expect my children to pay little or no attention. If there were questions arising from the visit I would answer them as frankly as I felt appropriate. I do not think that ostracising them would be appropriate Christian behaviour, instead I would hope they would identify me as a Christian because of the love I displayed and the strength of my family bonds and the behaviour of my children.
 
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pnewton:
And they are just as convinced that their lifestyles choices are okay and should be accepted as homosexuals are. If there is not absolute standard for sin, they have a vaild arguement.

Besides, this entire issue is not about judging any individual person. It is about a parent’s responsibility to use prudent judgement. There is a great Baptist church down the street, filled with wonderful people. I am not going to judge them, but my children are not going to go to church there because it works against what I am teaching them as a parent.
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This is worded beautifully pnewton.

God Bless
Giannawannabe
 
I think Fth Serpa is way off the mark here. Children should not have to suffer the sins of their parents. If it were my children, depending on their ages I would let them go. 1-4 why explain anything? 5-6 I would give a brief explanation about how we really don’t agree with Janey or Johnny’s guardian’s lifestyle, but we want to show Janey and Johnny we love her. 7-11 I would explain what The Bible says about Janey and Johnny’s guardian’s behavior but STILL state we should support Janey and Johnny. What next? Should we disallow children from attending birthday parties where the parents/guardians are divorced? Seriously, I am surprised the good clergy member and other’s, here, would believe in punishing a child for the behavior of the parents/guardians.
Did Jesus SHUN sinners? Did Jesus SHUN the children of sinners?
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Peace of Christ be with you NightRider.
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I applaud you.

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions”
GK Chesterton
 
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NightRider:
GP4: I find it really sad you have made this into your own personal crusade, marching to the Vatican. You are gathering your army on these forums by asking a thinly veiled question, when you are actually seeking self-justification.

Your drum is now quite deafening. This Catholic will never march to your drum.
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Is it a sin to commit a homosexual act? Yes it is. We see this in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium.

If this is the case then it follows:
  1. Two men publically declare that they are in a homosexual relationship (which means intimate relations). Hey, they even have rings.
  2. It is a mortal sin according the Catholic teaching to commit a homosexual act.
  3. Mortal sin leds to eternal death according to Catholic teaching regardin sin.
  4. We as Christ’s followers are called to spread the Good News that He has conquered sin and death. We are to tell the world that sin need no longer reign in their lives, and they do not have to die eternally.
  5. These men are dying eternally by committing homosexual acts and need to be warned of the consequences of their actions, before it is too late.
  6. By not telling them of their danger we are willfully allowing them to die in their sins and suffer eternally.
  7. Therefore, we must do all in our power (in love) to help them avoid what the Church says waits for those who die in their sins. For, is not love desiring the utmost best for the sake of the beloved?
Peace
 
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dennisknapp:
Is it a sin to commit a homosexual act? Yes it is. We see this in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium.

If this is the case then it follows:
  1. Two men publically declare that they are in a homosexual relationship (which means intimate relations). Hey, they even have rings.
  2. It is a mortal sin according the Catholic teaching to commit a homosexual act.
  3. Mortal sin leds to eternal death according to Catholic teaching regardin sin.
  4. We as Christ’s followers are called to spread the Good News that He has conquered sin and death. We are to tell the world that sin need no longer reign in their lives, and they do not have to die eternally.
  5. These men are dying eternally by committing homosexual acts and need to be warned of the consequences of their actions, before it is too late.
  6. By not telling them of their danger we are willfully allowing them to die in their sins and suffer eternally.
  7. Therefore, we must do all in our power (in love) to help them avoid what the Church says waits for those who die in their sins. For, is not love desiring the utmost best for the sake of the beloved?
Peace
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Dude, you judging man. We should eat granola and smoke a bowl with them before we go hug a tree. Like, love, man.
 

Jesus is the one pounding it brother.​

No, it’s people in love with their own convictions. Unless Jesus DID state to shun children of parent’s who are sinners…are you saying Jesus said that?
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
No, it’s people in love with their own convictions. Unless Jesus DID state to shun children of parent’s who are sinners…are you saying Jesus said that?
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Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

Jesus is the one pounding it brother.​

No, it’s people in love with their own convictions. Unless Jesus DID state to shun children of parent’s who are sinners…are you saying Jesus said that?
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So making a kids happy by coming to his party is more important than protecting your children form scandal?

Didn’t somebody say something about millstones?
And yup. that somebody is in love with His convictions.
 
Matthew 18:6

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it is better for him that a heavy millstone be hung around his neck, and that he be drowned in the depth of the sea.
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