Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

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NightRider:
Why do you have to shout at everyone with your huge bold font???
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Sorry NightRider . I will try not to shout so much in the future…🙂
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Sorry NightRider . I will try not to shout so much in the future…🙂
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My, you really do enjoy extremes, eh? But thank you for not shouting in this post, dear!
🙂 God bless.
 
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NightRider:
No, it is NOT Jesus pounding the drum, it is GloriaPatri4 and her army. And I am NOT a brother.

I do not believe Jesus would lead any army like this one on this thread. Thank God.
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Is it a sin to commit a homosexual act? Yes it is. We see this in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium.

If this is the case then it follows:
  1. Two men publically declare that they are in a homosexual relationship (which means intimate relations). Hey, they even have rings.
  2. It is a mortal sin according the Catholic teaching to commit a homosexual act.
  3. Mortal sin leds to eternal death according to Catholic teaching regardin sin.
  4. We as Christ’s followers are called to spread the Good News that He has conquered sin and death. We are to tell the world that sin need no longer reign in their lives, and they do not have to die eternally.
  5. These men are dying eternally by committing homosexual acts and need to be warned of the consequences of their actions, before it is too late.
  6. By not telling them of their danger we are willfully allowing them to die in their sins and suffer eternally.
  7. Therefore, we must do all in our power (in love) to help them avoid what the Church says waits for those who die in their sins. For, is not love desiring the utmost best for the sake of the beloved?
Peace
 
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dennisknapp:
Is it a sin to commit a homosexual act? Yes it is. We see this in Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium.

If this is the case then it follows:
  1. Two men publically declare that they are in a homosexual relationship (which means intimate relations). Hey, they even have rings.
  2. It is a mortal sin according the Catholic teaching to commit a homosexual act.
  3. Mortal sin leds to eternal death according to Catholic teaching regardin sin.
  4. We as Christ’s followers are called to spread the Good News that He has conquered sin and death. We are to tell the world that sin need no longer reign in their lives, and they do not have to die eternally.
  5. These men are dying eternally by committing homosexual acts and need to be warned of the consequences of their actions, before it is too late.
  6. By not telling them of their danger we are willfully allowing them to die in their sins and suffer eternally.
  7. Therefore, we must do all in our power (in love) to help them avoid what the Church says waits for those who die in their sins. For, is not love desiring the utmost best for the sake of the beloved?
Peace
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um, why are you reposting this?
 
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NightRider:
Why do you have to shout at everyone with your huge bold font???
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I didn’t think that that was shouting. She didn’t use all capitals. I just thought it was easier to read. :confused:

Did you notice something interesting about all these posts? People are ready to “kill” each other for their views. 😦 On other threads we have been loving and supportive, joking, joining each other against abortion, grieving together over the Pope and Terri Schiavo.

We need to remember who we are, folks. :tiphat:
 
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Princess_Abby:
um, why are you reposting this?
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To try and bring some focus to this discussion.

People seem to be getting awfully emotional and I want to bring the discussion back to what the issue is really about.

Peace
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
I think Fth Serpa is way off the mark here. Children should not have to suffer the sins of their parents.

Did Jesus SHUN sinners? Did Jesus SHUN the children of sinners?
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Children do suffer for the sins of their parents. Sin often has an unpleasant consequences for generations to come. Ask any child who has seen his parent’s infidelity destroy a home. Parents must understand that the sin they commit will hurt more than themselves. This is unfortunately is a much bigger problem than a party list. Souls at stake.

Jesus did not shun sinners. This is not what this thread is about. Jesus was an adult. I do not want my children raised shunning sinners, either, but I do want them raised to know and shun sin and that it is never an act of charity to confirm people in their mortal sin.
 
Sure I would - if I knew the parents and they seemed sane. Always meet the parents, that’s (for me) the key to children’s parties. And if you have any doubts, offer to stay and help out - no one has ever turned that down in my experience. My kids, and their kids, live in a big world.
I haven’t read the weighty thread above, I just gave my gut answer to the original question.
 
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Trelow:
The Truth, know it, love it, live it.

From the CCC
Chastity and homosexuality

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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This quote (from the CCC) is the unapproved version from 1993 (remember when they had so much trouble getting an approved ENGLISH version?) They printed this version (1993) and it was changed dramatically before approval (in 1997) It is called the “2nd edition”

The approved version (2nd edition) #2358 says
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm#II
**"2358 **The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. "

Both versions are on the Vatican website. Why is the unapproved version still listed under “Holy See English” “Archives” “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (click on the center of the page, CCC English - to get the old version and on the left hand side tab below the word “Archive” to get the approved version.)

The difference in the 2 says it all. The church, in all it’s wisdom, speaking infallably COULD NOT PRINT, “they do not choose”. But the people at the vatican are still trying to push the “they do not choose” (translation - “It’s not their fault, God made them that way” )mentality. The vatican website personell have been aware of this since February 21, 2005 (and I’m sure, long before) and they’ve done nothing. They continue to propogate the lie to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CATHOLICS WORLDWIDE!

Maybe this inclination was the result of a most difficult childhood; an abusive parent or grandparent, aunt or uncle; a terribly painful divorce of parents; a molestation still undiscovered; but it IS a choice.

Get the cd from St. Joseph Communications by Deacon Dr. Bob MacDonald, “Confronting the Gay Agenda” for a medical and scientific explanation of the disorder. It is a tremendous tool in the understanding of our homosexual aquaintences.

saintjoe.com/p/prod_desc.pl?id=915

and share it with everyone you know.

We have to turn the tide on this one. For their sake and the sake of our children.

God help us
Angel
 
Angels Watchin:
Both versions are on the Vatican website. Why is the unapproved version still listed under “Holy See English” “Archives” “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (click on the center of the page, CCC English - to get the old version and on the left hand side tab below the word “Archive” to get the approved version.)

The difference in the 2 says it all. The church, in all it’s wisdom, speaking infallably COULD NOT PRINT, “they do not choose”. But the people at the vatican are still trying to push the “they do not choose” (translation - “It’s not their fault, God made them that way” )mentality. The vatican website personell have been aware of this since February 21, 2005 (and I’m sure, long before) and they’ve done nothing. They continue to propogate the lie to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CATHOLICS WORLDWIDE!
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Hi Angel. I am puzzled why you say the people at the vatican are propagating a lie. :confused: What people at the Vatican are you talking about? People in charge? They were talking about deep-seated tendencies. I’m no expert, by any means, but perhaps there are a few (?) that really were born that way. Don’t know. Either way, it’s a cross.
 
Angels Watchin:
. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.
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I am impressed by finding such a distinction. I understand why the first versionis inaccurate. This inclination may be chosen, taught or inhereted. This would be a matter of science to answer, which the church tries to avoid.
 
Angels Watchin:
This quote (from the CCC) is the unapproved version from 1993 (remember when they had so much trouble getting an approved ENGLISH version?) They printed this version (1993) and it was changed dramatically before approval (in 1997) It is called the “2nd edition”

The approved version (2nd edition) #2358 says
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm#II
**"2358 **The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. "

Both versions are on the Vatican website. Why is the unapproved version still listed under “Holy See English” “Archives” “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (click on the center of the page, CCC English - to get the old version and on the left hand side tab below the word “Archive” to get the approved version.)

The difference in the 2 says it all. The church, in all it’s wisdom, speaking infallably COULD NOT PRINT, “they do not choose”. But the people at the vatican are still trying to push the “they do not choose” (translation - “It’s not their fault, God made them that way” )mentality. The vatican website personell have been aware of this since February 21, 2005 (and I’m sure, long before) and they’ve done nothing. They continue to propogate the lie to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CATHOLICS WORLDWIDE!

Maybe this inclination was the result of a most difficult childhood; an abusive parent or grandparent, aunt or uncle; a terribly painful divorce of parents; a molestation still undiscovered; but it IS a choice.

Get the cd from St. Joseph Communications by Deacon Dr. Bob MacDonald, “Confronting the Gay Agenda” for a medical and scientific explanation of the disorder. It is a tremendous tool in the understanding of our homosexual aquaintences.

saintjoe.com/p/prod_desc.pl?id=915

and share it with everyone you know.

We have to turn the tide on this one. For their sake and the sake of our children.

God help us
Angel
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Thank you for pointing that out. I only use the online for cut and paste, I do my reading my corrected print version.

I apologize for my misinformed post.
 
No way. Why would I want to expose my children to an immoral lifestyle. I have a couple of family members that are gay. I treat them with respect and love them but my children will not be going to their house. They both have mental illness. I pray for them that one day they will find peace, happiness and live chaste lives. I worry for their souls and hope God will forgive them because of their mental illness. It is a sad situation.
 
Dear Gloria,

I completely and positively understand and sympathize with you for what you are going through. Your poll here indicates there is an overwhelming response for the ‘NO’s’. I believe you are on the right track. Keep the faith, pray, and just know sometimes we have to fight the good fight. We as parents have to work extra hard to educate our children about what is right, wrong, moral and immoral. Sin is all around us and even in our backyards. We send our children to Catholic schools hoping and assuming that everything will be Christian-like and all things will be wonderful. Unfortunately, that is not the case. There are two sides to everything. I just think you have much support at least here on the CA Forum. I wish you well. And do keep us informed of the details.

:blessyou:
 
No…I would not. I would send a gift to school with my child to give to that child and wish him/her a great happy birthday!

Dawn
 
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Derogenault:
Sure I would -** if I knew the parents and they seemed sane**. Always meet the parents, that’s (for me) the key to children’s parties. And if you have any doubts, offer to stay and help out - no one has ever turned that down in my experience. My kids, and their kids, live in a big world.
I haven’t read the weighty thread above, I just gave my gut answer to the original question.
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“…if I knew the parents and they seemed sane.” If this is your only criteria-“they seemed sane”, for exposing your kids to the “big world” your kids live in, then God help your kids. How about morals and evident values as weighty criteria for discerning what age-appropriate exposures to allow your children to? This is what is wrong with Catholics and Christians these days–too often they become “in the world and of the world”, versus “in the world but not of the world”.

To bring it more to the logical conclusion: what do you do the next party or outing or play date invite? and the next? and the next? …Then the adult function Tupperware party or barbeque where parents/families are invited to by this cohabitating couple living an apparent gravely sinful lifestyle? Just when do you eventually say or do something? And what would it be that you would say or do if all along all has been benign and relationshps are building? Give it some thought.
 
Gloria,

I was wondering how many children are actually attending the party. Since these men are so popular at school, I would assume most of the invited children would attend. If you and your friends do not send your children so that they are not exposed to this type of lifestyle as “normal”, would it really be that many kids not coming? Truly, if they have a bunch of kids at their party, the gay men’s kids won’t even notice that some kids aren’t there. No parent should ever send their child somewhere when they are uncomfortable with the environment—NO MATTER WHAT THAT REASON IS! So many posters are worried about the feelings of the birthday kids. I think they will have plenty of guests and those who choose not to send their children will not be the cause of some horrible pain for the birthday kids. To be charitable, they can bring a present to school and say they were sorry they couldn’t come.

Really, I don’t understand why a parent should ever feel pressured to send their child to a birthday party or anywhere else when they feel uncomfortable with the situation. It’s as simple as that.

God Bless
Giannawannabe
 
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Giannawannabe:
Gloria,

I was wondering how many children are actually attending the party. Since these men are so popular at school, I would assume most of the invited children would attend. If you and your friends do not send your children so that they are not exposed to this type of lifestyle as “normal”, would it really be that many kids not coming? Truly, if they have a bunch of kids at their party, the gay men’s kids won’t even notice that some kids aren’t there. No parent should ever send their child somewhere when they are uncomfortable with the environment—NO MATTER WHAT THAT REASON IS! So many posters are worried about the feelings of the birthday kids. I think they will have plenty of guests and those who choose not to send their children will not be the cause of some horrible pain for the birthday kids. To be charitable, they can bring a present to school and say they were sorry they couldn’t come.

Really, I don’t understand why a parent should ever feel pressured to send their child to a birthday party or anywhere else when they feel uncomfortable with the situation. It’s as simple as that.

God Bless
Giannawannabe
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Dear Giannawannabe,

To my knowledge this family has not had a party yet. It was a hypothetical question. I do know that their children have gone to parties that they’ve been invited to, which is fine. I know of a party in which the entire family attended, not fine. I also know other children go to this family’s house for playdates.

I’m quite sure that if these two men were to host a party they would have many families/ children in attendance. It’s more important to these parents to accept an invitation thereby saying “Look I’m not a homophobic” , “I love the sinners but hate their sin” or “I would rather put the welfare of these two children above the welfare of my own child because I would never want to hurt an innocent child even if it meant hurting my own child”.
 
I voted for “other”. I would allow my child to go if she was old enough to be aware of homosexuality, understand the Church’s teaching about it, and be able to walk the fine line between a lack of charity and a denial of her faith in her conversation with the parents. At least 10, I think, and probably older.
 
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