Would you permit your child to attend a party in a gay household ?

[pnewton]

Absolutely not! Never!

Why? For the same reason I would not permit him to attend a party at the home of an adulterer, drug dealer or bootlegger. When someone’s identity becomes som tied to their state of sin, I as a parent will take every opportunity to teach on the nature, definition and consequences of sin.

I will, and also have taught the same when I have sinned and my kids knew I did. I am far from spotless, but I am a parent.

 

[betrublu2Him]

Ok, here I go getting myself invovled! I just have to put my two cents in as best as I can here. I have briefly read some of the posts, but have to say that I don’t want to cloud my thoughts on the matter, so without further delay let me try to give my perspective.

I, too, send my kids to a private Catholic school. We also have had our share of problems. Situations have occured where the Principal has asked some families to leave, IE, because of immoral parents, behavior so unbecoming it couldn’t be tolerated anymore, students violating the code of ethics/rules of our school…these are just some examples. Without knowing all parents and families at our school, (and I am sure there are many who are ‘shacking up’ or have been divorced an remarried multiple times, etc) it is hard to base judgment on what you don’t know. HOWEVER, when you are in the knowledge of something that is not moral for you or your children to experience, THAT’S when you have to take a stand and do what’s right, moral and just. In no way shape or form are we to judge homosexual’s lifestyle or behavior. That is for God and for them to figure out and come to grips with their faith and know what is sin and what is not. We just need to pray for them and be kind as best as we can, because, our good Lord knows that homosexual lifestyle is not what he had intended. We need to raise our children according to our faith, our beliefs, and by Holy Scripture. Fortunately the church gives us Sacraments to help us to become better Christians – and to violate these sacraments is a sin, is it not? On the tougher side…I do think the Administration of the school should not tolerate any ‘shacking up’ especially when it is fact and the ones who are doing so is of the same gender. I don’t believe anyone can find that (to be right and justified) anywhere in the Bible or from Tradition. All God’s people should be loved and cared for, and that means when it comes to children, they come first in my eyes. I would never want them to think certain sinful things is…“OK, just this once.” Or, “I guess that’s just the way it is for ‘that’ family!”

I will pray for your situation that affects you and many others. This is a tough one and you probably feel alone (I hope I am wrong). Good luck, and I will pray for that family and their kids and for your school’s adminstration that they will all see His guiding light and the truth.

 

[TZiggy]

WOW!

It would seem those who grew up in gay households have lived through some emotionally trying times.

You all need to take a step back and ask yourself if your “parents” adopted you because it was good for you, or it was what THEY wanted.

Sin always has it’s consequences. You had no control, but you paid the price. I’ll pray for you all.
As for my four kids…Absolutely no parties in alternative lifestyle homes. Their souls were put in my care, and I’ll be answering for them one day.

Call me selfish, but I’m out to change the world one diaper at a time!

 

[betrublu2Him]

Princess_Abby:

While I wouldn’t want to expose my children to this disordered lifestyle, I would be VERY worried about the effect and/or stress it would put upon the young child who might possibly have a birthday party with no invitees come at all

I don’t like when we start making children deal with adult issues. Those children did not pick their parents and they deserve a birthday party.

But, I don’t think you understand something. Let me explain. No one is saying be mean to the children, that is to say NO I can’t be at your party because your parents are gay. I would suggest that the responsibility lies with the homosexual couple. Shame on them for putting these childern in a situation where these children will feel the damage. I blame the parents, as always when the children are just that…children. They all need prayer in my opinion!

and …

May I suggest that families of this community call on the couple to set up a ‘play date’ with their children on their own turf? At least hopefully it shows the community, 'hey, I support a man and a woman/married household, rather than an adulterous/shacking up lifestyle. Come on people, what’s wrong with that?

I know that sounds really mean and tough, but, it all can be done with love.

 

[Other_Eric]

Hi guys!

Look, I hate to be the one to rain on everyone’s parade, but I fear that some here are letting misplaced sympathy cloud what should be a dispassionate reasoning process.

We are agreed, I assume, that:

1. 
   *]The primary responsibility of a Catholic parent is to the proper moral rearing of his or her children,
   *]A sexually active homosexual life is sinful,
   *]And the homosexual couple in this instance is likely to argue that their lifestyle is not sinful.
   
   If a Catholic parent allows his or her child into any situation where the child is to be exposed to the homosexual couple, than we must assume that they will be exposed to the homosexual’s argument that the lifestyle is not sinful or even that it is good. Depending upon the impressionability of the child, this could prove disastrous to the child’s moral upbringing.
   
   There are some on this thread who have suggested that it might be ok to let their children interact with the children being brought up by the homosexual couple, but even this does not pass muster. The child of the homosexual couple who is constantly exposed to the lifestyle becomes a mini-apologist for how “good” the lifestyle is. In order to safeguard one’s child against exactly the same type of confusion that would result in the first situation, one must also instruct one’s child to avoid the children of the homosexual couple. That child must be a pariah.
   
   This may not sound fair but it is the only logical conclusion I can reach with the Church’s moral teaching. I note that Fr. Serpa terms the situation of these children as “tragic,” and it absolutely is. Following the will of Christ is not always going to be easy.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Princess_Abby:

Gloria has said either in this thread or a different thread that she nor anyone else has bothered to confront them, for fear of what others would say. Gee, that’s productive.

Dear Princess,

I believe this is the post you are referring to.

From thead Should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a CatholicSchool?

To my knowledge they have not been corrected. It is my guess that if they had been corrected in their sin they were not asked to not appear together as a couple or to not wear their wedding rings or if they have they’ve ignored the request.

I would not feel comfortable confronting the men as they always have many people mostly women (parents) flocking around them and since many of the people don’t have a problem with two homosexual men living a active openly gay lifestyle I am sure that I would be attacked verbally. The problem is most of the people at the school including the faculty (especially the principal) view these men as heros for adopting four children. They are referred to as very respectable men and good Catholics. Anyone who opposes the situation are hateful people.

If you have any advise as to how we should approach these two men I would love to hear it. I just don’t see how we can do it even in a loving manner without causing a scene. The problem is most of the people at the school don’t see any problem with the actions of these two men they see us as the ones with the problems for opposing the situation.

 

[NightRider]

Trelow:

Apparently you’re willing to not understand our Lord’s words.

We are not to judge the state of someones soul.
We are definatly required to judge someones actions. If not then you woudl be wrong in judging that I would be wrong in judging.

Sally - " Molly you know Jim is a member of NAMBLA, You can’t let Billy go over there unsupervised."

Molly- “HOW DARE YOU JUDGE HIM SALLY! YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS SAID ABOTU JUDGING! Besides they are haveign some sort of “photography meeting”, ther will be others there. BILLY! DON’T FORGET YORU SLEEPING BAG!”

Silly Truth, always seams to get in the way of asinine arguments.

I think *your *argument is assinine. You obviously know nothing about how homosexuals actually live. Most homosexual men are *not *members of NAMBLA. Plus, you *are *judging the state of homosexual peoples’ souls. I feel sorry for people like you because you are sooooo *afraid *of homosexuals, and what you *don’t *know. Homosexuals are everywhere, including our Church, and if everyone stood side by side you would not be able to pick out the homosexuals from the heterosexuals. Thank God.

 

[NightRider]

GloriaPatri4:

Dear Princess,

I believe this is the post you are referring to.

If you have any advise as to how we should approach these two men I would love to hear it. I just don’t see how we can do it even in a loving manner without causing a scene. The problem is most of the people at the school don’t see any problem with the actions of these two men they see us as the ones with the problems for opposing the situation.

**Why do you think you need to approach these two men at all? You definitely would be causing a scene because approaching them about their *private ***lives *is *inappropriate. It is really *none of your business. *Let it go and *leave these people alone. *It is not your “Christian” or “Catholic” duty to approach them about their homosexuality. Read your Catechism, pronto. The sections are listed above in another post. And speak to your priest about this, exactly how you are speaking about it here in this thread of yours. Maybe you should print it out and let him read it for himself. I am certain he would not be amused or happy about the thrust of your intentions.

 

[God_saves]

No.

 

[GloriaPatri4]

**Why do you think you need to approach these two men at all? You definitely would be causing a scene because approaching them about their *private ***lives *is *inappropriate.

**Exactly. I don’t think I need to approach these to men nor do I have any intention of it. I do believe someone in an administrative position should meet with them privately to discuss their presenting themselves as a couple on the school grounds. **

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It is really *none of your business. *

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**Oh really? It is my business if my children are students at the school. **
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**Let it go and *leave these people alone. ***It is not your “Christian” or “Catholic” duty to approach them about their homosexuality. Read your Catechism, pronto.

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From the Bible New American Bible Saint Joseph Edition

Matt. 18:15-18

A Brother who Sins
15 "If your brother sins, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. 16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. 18 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. **

 

[ThornGenX]

I voted other, my cat does not attend parties (and he’s the closest thing I have to a child, or probably ever will).

 

[TheGarg]

MontrBeach:

I just joined this forum today. I was excited to read what other Catholics had to say about different topics. Unfortunately this was the first “poll” I responded to and began reading what other so called Catholics wrote. I am so offended by you conservative judgemental bigots.

Welcome MontrBeach, and Peace of the Lord be to you!

First you decided to repremand “us”, since you included us all, with the above label…

MontrBeach:

Please do not represent yourself as Catholics. You do not represent the faith in which I was raised. A faith of love, acceptance, and social justice. What do you guys do? Just go to church on Sunday and judge others who don’t live by your rules. I would so prefer my child enter a home of gay/lesbian couples who are loving (I am friends with many) than my child enter one of your homes. You are nasty people!!

And then you do the exact same thing you accuse us “all” of doing, not once but three times in the same breath…

If I were you, I would reread ALL the posts in this thread, and with out pre-judgeing, allow the full context of the messages to unfold.

I would most certainly not let my son go to any event which took place in the evironment of practicing homosexuals. I would’nt be mean about it, I would just decline.

I personally love everyone, and wuold help anyone overcome a addiction/disorder, but I would not let them have the chance to influence my children in any way…just the same as i wouldn’t take my children to a biker bar.

I personally don’t beleive that I would ever have any homosexual friends, that embraced the homosexual lifestyle, since I would be nice to them, and would gladly tell them the Truth, when they asked what I had against it.

I am loveing of my nieghbor, and compassionate of those asking for help, or suffering a battle with tribulation, but I choose to not “hang around” with those that “embrace” a sinful way of life.

Do I sin? Yes, but the difference is I try not to…

Peace of the Lord be with you.

 

[TheGarg]

NightRider:

Apparently you’re willing to go against Our Lord’s own words about not judging others, as well, in order to be “afraid that St Paul would argue on” your “behalf.” Your choice! Oh well. Buh-bye!

Actually NightRider, I’ll have to agree with Trelow. We have to make Characther judgments everyday, even you, especially when our children are involved. To not do so would be very irresponsible.

Christ’s words were about Judging one’s salvation. I will not be the one to say whether anyone is going to heaven or hell, but I for sure will determine who I let my kids hang around.

 

[Werner]

Kevin Walker:

I hope all households are gay but not homosexual, if that is what you meant. The word ‘gay’ does not mean homosexual, it means happy and festive, while homosexuals are psychotic, suicidal, delusional, narcissistic, selfish, mysoginist, irrational, masochistic, anti-social, self-destructive, and prone to alchoholism and drug abuse. There is nothing ‘gay’ about the homosexual lifestyle.

So yes I would permit my child to attend a party in a gay household, but would not permit my child to attend a party in a homosexual household, whether male or female homosexual.

You are such an ******* !
You are nothing christian or Catholic, just an *******!
And if you don’t want other people call you an ******* (hole in the rectum, that is what the starlets are standing for) then stop calling others psychotics and all the other insults and libels, because only R E C T U M H O L E S do that!

Werner

 

[Trelow]

Werner:

You are such an ******* !
You are nothing christian or Catholic, just an *******!
And if you don’t want other people call you an ******* (hole in the rectum, that is what the starlets are standing for) then stop calling others psychotics and all the other insults and libels, because only R E C T U M H O L E S do that!

Werner

That may be so, but he’s still right.

It is a vary grave disorder, by dening that you are doing more harm than someone who points out the sins caused by the disease. If you don’t know you are sick, you can never be healed.

 

[Trelow]

NightRider:

I think *your *argument is assinine. You obviously know nothing about how homosexuals actually live. Most homosexual men are *not *members of NAMBLA. Plus, you *are *judging the state of homosexual peoples’ souls. I feel sorry for people like you because you are sooooo *afraid *of homosexuals, and what you *don’t *know. Homosexuals are everywhere, including our Church, and if everyone stood side by side you would not be able to pick out the homosexuals from the heterosexuals. Thank God.

The christian thing to do is to let someone know that they are in sin, and do what you can to help them out of it. That is LOVE. Agape style, baby. That is our duty as Christians. When Jesus said we shoudl love our neighbor as ourself, He did’nt mean that you let them persist in a way that could destory thier soul.

Giving someone a hug and inviting them to sit on your hemp rug so you can talk about the evils of capitlism isn’t love. Kicking them in the butt and saying “Go! AND SIN NO MORE!” is.

My example is an obvious hyperbole, but come on, if we are not suposed to judge at all, is ther ever a line we may draw?

 

[Giannawannabe]

I thought about this thread quite a bit last night. A couple more things…

Isn’t it a Spiritual Act of Mercy to admonish the sinner?

As a parent, it is my DUTY to protect my children against situations which may affect their souls.

From what I can understand, these men are living in a homosexual relationship unapologetically. They are, in Gloria’s words, “flaunting” their homosexual lifestyle at a Catholic School. It sounds as if Gloria and some of her friends are in the minority of those who disagree with the situation. I’m sure that these poor, unfortunate children will have PLENTY of children at their birthday party. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that Gloria’s kids will be the ones ostracized and made fun of if they don’t go (I don’t know their ages, so I’m not sure). If Gloria does not want to expose her children to a sinful lifestyle by sending her children to this party, therby tacitly AGREEING with it, that is her RIGHT!!! For heaven’s sakes, they are her children. Why can these men who are living a sinful lifestyle do whatever they want, but Gloria can not take a stand here? Her children could bring a present to school for the children and say they were sorry that they couldn’t come.

BTW, as an adoptive parent, I don’t think these men or anyone else are heroes for adopting. In addition, there are more 2 parent (man/woman) homes than there are children to adopt in this country. Many of the children you hear about in Foster Care are not even available for adoption due to red tape with bio parents. It is SOOOOO difficult to adopt in this country. That is why people go international. I wonder how these men can so easily adopt 4 children? They would be HEROES if they allowed a mom and dad to adopt these kids. As many on this forum have said, including those who have a gay parent(s), it is selfish on their part. Kids need a mom AND dad.

God Bless
Giannawannabe

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Giannawannabe:

Gloria, I voted “NO”. However, I would like to ask if you plan on continuing to send your children to that school. I apologize if you’ve answered that question elsewhere. It seems as if you need to “shake the dust off of your shoes” and move on. I know you live in a liberal area of the country. Would homeschooling be an option? I’m sure that the Public Schools are also very pro gay out your way. Just wondering.

God Bless
Giannawannabe

Dear Giannawannabe,

Yes, as crazy as it sounds we are planning on continuing our childrens (the ones that are currently enrolled there) education there at least for awhile. Even though priests have advised all of us (the opposing families) against this there are a few reasons we feel we need to stay:

1. If you have read any of the other threads on this subject (I don’t know which ones you’ve read) then you know we have sent packages with letters and other evidence to various congregations in the Vatican. We have been told that we can only protest this thing if we still have children enrolled in the school.
2. I feel that by leaving we are giving up and giving in. After all we do love the school and the church. I believe we should stand up for what is right as uncomfortable as it may be, and believe me it is very uncomfortable. There are many families and I’m sure some faculty members that would love nothing more than to see our families (the opposing families) leave the school.
3. I believe that the Catholic Churches and schools in our country are in the shape that they’re in (moral decline, heretical, dissenting teaching, etc.) because people don’t address the issues, stand up for their rights, defend the church teachings, etc. they just leave for greener pastures.

I have given some serious thought to homeschooling and we may do that but not right now. Three of the opposing families that I’m aware of are planning on homeschooling next year. A couple families are switching to public school. Their mentality is: Their children will be exposed to the same thing in a public school (at least they know what to expect) as they are presently exposed to in this Catholic school but they won’t be paying tuition. They get to experience it for free. They feel it is worse to see this kind of thing happening at a Catholic school because the Catholic school is talking the talk but they’re not walking the walk. They are not practicing what they are preaching.

We will wait to hear what the Vatican has to say. And if we don’t hear from them and this stuff still continues we to will leave for greener pastures but not without knowing that we fought the good fight first.

God bless,

 

[Werner]

Trelow:

That may be so, but he’s still right.

It is a vary grave disorder, by dening that you are doing more harm than someone who points out the sins caused by the disease. If you don’t know you are sick, you can never be healed.

So if you truely believe that all homosexuals are “are psychotic, suicidal, delusional, narcissistic, selfish, mysoginist, irrational, masochistic, anti-social, self-destructive, and prone to alchoholism and drug abuse” then you are an ********* as well.

And don’t call this believe of yours Christian or Catholic, because doing so is against the Catechism of the Catholic Church and therefore a sin

(you can save bandwith by repeating for the 7963time that homosexual acts are sinful. That is just e red herring, because here we are talking about the sin of calling your neighbor a psychotic and a drunkard, and it was Jesus himself who said you will go straight to hell if you do that)

Werner

 

[teresas1979]

Although not a parent, I would allow my children to attend a party in a gay household. It would be a perfect opportunity for me to explain about homosexuals to my children. Also, just because these people are more open about their sin does not mean they are any more sinful. What about single parents who never married? What about those who are divorced and remarried? I could go on and on and on. Where do we draw the line on who our children associate with?