Would you prefer to live in a Catholic theocracy?

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could a Catholic theocracy in the United States support first amendment guarantees of freedom of worship – for protestants? Jews? muslims? how about their missionary work?

how about first amendment guarantees? could a citizen write anti-Catholic tracts in a Catholic theocracy?

how long before a Catholic theocracy would dismantle the separation of church and state that has served this country so well?
 
Jack_Fisher said:
could a Catholic theocracy in the United States support first amendment guarantees of freedom of worship – for protestants? Jews? muslims? how about their missionary work?

how about first amendment guarantees? could a citizen write anti-Catholic tracts in a Catholic theocracy?

how long before a Catholic theocracy would dismantle the separation of church and state that has served this country so well?
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By definition a Catholic theocracy would violate the Constitution since the First Amendment forbids the establishment of any religion…in other words, no state church.
 
rr1213 said:
By definition a Catholic theocracy would violate the Constitution since the First Amendment forbids the establishment of any religion…in other words, no state church.
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I’d hope the forum sees this as an insurmountable problem in theory and practice.
 
Jack_Fisher said:
I’d hope the forum sees this as an insurmountable problem in theory and practice.
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Most folks do, Catholic or otherwise. Some don’t, mostly the UltraTraditionalist types. Many of them would install Benedict as absolute monarch and benign dictator at the drop of his Pope’s hat. 😃
 
Saul.Tentmaker said:
It is true I would prefer Benedict as king.

I’m not sure he’d prefer it that way, however.
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Outside the Kingship of Christ, the best man for king is always the fellow who doesn’t want the job. Think of George Washington…his officers in the Continental Army were prepared to crown him king by force but he shamed them into foregoing the coup. Nonetheless, if Washington had in some way been crowned king he would have done well because he had the character for the job.
 
rr1213 said:
Outside the Kingship of Christ, the best man for king is always the fellow who doesn’t want the job. Think of George Washington…his officers in the Continental Army were prepared to crown him king by force but he shamed them into foregoing the coup. Nonetheless, if Washington had in some way been crowned king he would have done well because he had the character for the job.
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And I’m not sure Christ is really an exception. I’d actually say He is the supreme example of what you are talking about–see Philippians 2:5-11! Of course in a sense He can’t help but will to be what He is by nature (which is I think what you are saying). But it’s still pretty incredible that in Christianity even the Second Person of the Trinity in a sense “didn’t want the job”!

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
And I’m not sure Christ is really an exception. I’d actually say He is the supreme example of what you are talking about–see Philippians 2:5-11! Of course in a sense He can’t help but will to be what He is by nature (which is I think what you are saying). But it’s still pretty incredible that in Christianity even the Second Person of the Trinity in a sense “didn’t want the job”!

Edwin
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Good point; I hadn’t thought about the passage from Philippians.
 
I would live in a Theocracy, but not under the Pope. This would controdict cannon Law. Perpaps a constitutional monarchy. Democratic rights and local customs should be maintained. We need Chrit’s Laws recognised by the state.

Anath
 
Anath said:
I would live in a Theocracy, but not under the Pope. This would controdict cannon Law. Perpaps a constitutional monarchy. Democratic rights and local customs should be maintained. We need Chrit’s Laws recognised by the state.

Anath
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I would agree.

A system of Government that has Natural Moral Law as defined by the Church enshrined into the Consitution would be ideal.
 
I prefer to live in paradise under the kingship of His Majesty our God—that is my first choice, my ultimate goal and the ideal.😉

At the same time, who can stand in His presence…and not fall down?

Do you not know that the Isrealites asked for a king?

God granted their request…and was displeased with them.
 
Verisimilitude said:
If there was an opportunity to vote for, or establish the Pope as President of the US in 2008 (or any nation) where the doctrine of the Catholic Church was the law of the land- would you?

Why or why not?

I’m not sure I want to qualify the scenerio with assumptions like there would be no corruption as likley would occur. I think there might be real reasons why it shouldn’t or couldn’t happen…but if it could?

What kind of immigration policy would it set? Drug policy? R&D? Foreign policy?

If we truly believe what we believe…why wouldn’t we want that?
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Greatly opposed. While, yes, the Catholic Church is better when it comes to laws concerning morality, it is still fallible when it comes to economics and foreign policy. Government and Church should remain separate (although not as separate as it is now)
 
presidentjlh said:
Greatly opposed. While, yes, the Catholic Church is better when it comes to laws concerning morality, it is still fallible when it comes to economics and foreign policy. Government and Church should remain separate (although not as separate as it is now)
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I fully agree with you here. At least i think i do.
 
Verisimilitude said:
If there was an opportunity to vote for, or establish the Pope as President of the US in 2008 (or any nation) where the doctrine of the Catholic Church was the law of the land- would you?

Why or why not?

I’m not sure I want to qualify the scenerio with assumptions like there would be no corruption as likley would occur. I think there might be real reasons why it shouldn’t or couldn’t happen…but if it could?

What kind of immigration policy would it set? Drug policy? R&D? Foreign policy?

If we truly believe what we believe…why wouldn’t we want that?
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Excepting the political and military aspirations of other countries, is’nt Vatican City almost or even, that nation ? VC already satisfies a few, if not many, structures needed for government. I’d move there in a heartbeat if immigration were open to lay folks like me. I actually regard Vatican City as my second home when I visit it.
 
Santi2 said:
Excepting the political and military aspirations of other countries, is’nt Vatican City almost or even, that nation ? VC already satisfies a few, if not many, structures needed for government. I’d move there in a heartbeat if immigration were open to lay folks like me. I actually regard Vatican City as my second home when I visit it.
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A Catholic theocracy that doesn’t allow Catholic immigrants? Hmmmmmmmmm:rolleyes:
 
Something like this could open a big can of worms we wouldn’t want opened.
 
Verisimilitude said:
If there was an opportunity to vote for, or establish the Pope as President of the US in 2008 (or any nation) where the doctrine of the Catholic Church was the law of the land- would you?

Why or why not?

I’m not sure I want to qualify the scenerio with assumptions like there would be no corruption as likley would occur. I think there might be real reasons why it shouldn’t or couldn’t happen…but if it could?

What kind of immigration policy would it set? Drug policy? R&D? Foreign policy?

If we truly believe what we believe…why wouldn’t we want that?
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Well, for one thing, there were catholic theocracies a plenty in the past, and nothing Ive read about them would make me wish Id been living there at the time.

A resounding no from me.
 
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