Would you support mandatory tracking devices on all new cars?

[Robert_Sock]

Actually, Bob…I like you. Its just that you are wrong all the time.

Then, why are you so provoking when it comes to my posts? Are you unable to consider views that run counter to your own? Humility is a great virtue.

Listen and win!

LOVE!

 

[St_Francis]

Then, why are you so provoking when it comes to my posts? **Are you unable to consider views that run counter to your own? **Humility is a great virtue.

Listen and win!

LOVE!

Oh, the irony

 

[Robert_Sock]

Oh, the irony

Can you please point out where using a quote? Otherwise it’s just more slander. Very rude and disrespectful! Why???

LOVE!

 

[Tzimisce]

Would I?

No.

Someone who trades liberty for safety will end up with neither.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Would I?

No.

Someone who trades liberty for safety will end up with neither.

Did we ever have liberty to begin with? Isn’t it just an illusion? Listen to what a saint had to say about life in this miserable and corrupt world:

"The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, ‘Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!’ (Ps. 119:5)… He ceases not to ask with the Apostle’… Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom. 7:24)”
-The Golden Key to Heaven, by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

Oops! I did not see that you were pagan. Oh well, someone who is Catholic will likely come along and read it !

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Has any one considered how tracking could be abused by some one dishonest in a position of power that wanted to accuse some one of something?

 

[Robert_Sock]

Has any one considered how tracking could be abused by some one dishonest in a position of power that wanted to accuse some one of something?

Everything can be abused, but that’s not really sufficient for not implementing certain public policy. When I look at mandatory tracking devices, I see the potential for abuse to be rather small in comparison to the good.

LOVE!

 

[markomalley]

Robert, I can’t help to wonder if your cooperative attitude would be the same if McCain our Romney would have been elected.

 

[catholictiger]

this would just another effort for the government intruding into my life.

 

[catholictiger]

Off the top of my head, I don’t have a problem with it. They’ve been using black boxes in airplanes for years and they’re a very useful data tool for legal, liability & insurance purposes. aka: it’s a money saver.

My philosophy is: if the government is going to exploit you, you’re dead either way. If you want a government that is as least dangerous as possible, it’s more effective to ramp up means of making the government increasingly transparent than it is to make it impotent. Making it impotent is one way to help ensure your security, and it does indeed work, but its a much cruder tool that allows a lot of good meat to get carved off in the process.

black boxes are not tracked they are simply data recording devices so in case of a accident the data can be reviewed in order to have a better understanding of why the crash occurred. What allows ATC to track planes is something called a transponder.

Black boxes are many times used in cars for insurance purposes mostly, but that information could only be obtained by a court via a warrant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder#Aviation

ATC sends a squawk code to the airplane which he enters in his transponder and from that code ATC can see where he is how high he is what speed he is moving at and what direction he is heading.

A transponder on an airplane is very beneficial for ATC. Because of the speed airplanes fly at (between 400 and 500 Knots at cruising altitude) the only way that these planes can avoid collision is with the help of ATC. The purpose of transponders is not to find criminal planes rather to keep people safe while in the air. Note: someone can simply turn off the transponder if they don’t want to be tracked, this happened in 9-11 the plane that flew into the WTC turned off his transponder and they could only track him via radar.

There is no practical reason to put a transponder on a car.

 

[tabycat]

Has any one considered how tracking could be abused by some one dishonest in a position of power that wanted to accuse some one of something?

I could think of two or three.

 

[tabycat]

Everything can be abused, but that’s not really sufficient for not implementing certain public policy. When I look at mandatory tracking devices, I see the potential for abuse to be rather small in comparison to the good.

LOVE!

Robert you seem not to know history (McCarthy, FDR, Nixon) or what is on the news (the IRS, Obama) these days.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Robert you seem not to know history (McCarthy, FDR, Nixon) or what is on the news (the IRS, Obama) these days.

I would advise you stop paying so much attention to the media! We all know that it’s filled with anxiety and deception. The same for history. It’s filled with half-truths. It’s tough to admit to ourselves that we are living in a world built upon ignorance and strong illusions, but I believe it to be true. Let the Bible be your only history book!

LOVE!

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Then, why are you so provoking when it comes to my posts? Are you unable to consider views that run counter to your own? Humility is a great virtue.

Listen and win!

LOVE!

Davey Crockett (A Great American) once said: “Be sure you’re right…then go ahead.”

When I establish a position on ANY subject, it is researched and questioned long before I accept it. When I accept a position…it is right.

I would not be “provoking” you if I agreed with you. Nor would I engage in a subject that was not interesting to me.

Humility is not a very important virtue to someone who values himself and has earned honest self esteem. But I understand why it is important to you and other collectivists. Socialism requires individuals to serve as the means to the ends of others. Self esteem cannot exist in a collective.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Davey Crockett (A Great American) once said: “Be sure you’re right…then go ahead.”

When I establish a position on ANY subject, it is researched and questioned long before I accept it. When I accept a position…it is right.

I would not be “provoking” you if I agreed with you. Nor would I engage in a subject that was not interesting to me.

Humility is not a very important virtue to someone who values himself and has earned honest self esteem. But I understand why it is important to you and other collectivists. Socialism requires individuals to serve as the means to the ends of others. Self esteem cannot exist in a collective.

If only we were completely dead to self, and free from inner conflict, we could savour spiritual things, and win experience of heavenly contemplation.
-The Imitation of Christ, Book 1, Chapter 11

1 Peter 5:5 RSV
Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

 

[catholictiger]

I would advise you stop paying so much attention to the media! We all know that it’s filled with anxiety and deception. The same for history. It’s filled with half-truths. It’s tough to admit to ourselves that we are living in a world built upon ignorance and strong illusions, but I believe it to be true. Let the Bible be your only history book!

LOVE!

why should the bible be our only history book?

I mean I know the media spins things but you’re saying they are so reliable that no history can be believed?

 

[Robert_Sock]

why should the bible be our only history book?

I mean I know the media spins things but you’re saying they are so reliable that no history can be believed?

It sounds like we both agree that our world contains deception, but we simply disagree how deep the deception goes. Neither of us really know for sure. In any event, we would be wise to cling to God, who is Truth.

LOVE!

 

[tabycat]

I would advise you stop paying so much attention to the media! We all know that it’s filled with anxiety and deception. The same for history. It’s filled with half-truths. It’s tough to admit to ourselves that we are living in a world built upon ignorance and strong illusions, but I believe it to be true. Let the Bible be your only history book!

LOVE!

You are using the media when you post here. Are you saying that I (and everyone else who post in answer to your posts) should stop paying attention to you? Do you use just the Bible for history? The last things in the New Testament happened before the end of first centure AD, what do you use for history between AD100 and AD2014? Remember, you are the one that these things up. BTW, We might not have the Bible if the early (AD33-AD400) Christians could not talk about what books God wanted in the Bible.

 

[Robert_Sock]

You are using the media when you post here. Are you saying that I (and everyone else who post in answer to your posts) should stop paying attention to you? Do you use just the Bible for history? The last things in the New Testament happened before the end of first centure AD, what do you use for history between AD100 and AD2014? Remember, you are the one that these things up.

I honestly believe that we would all be doing ourselves a favor to use our time more wisely in surrendering to Christ. Oh, how I wish I would have entered a monastery instead of earning a PhD.

I’m on medical disability and I sit at home all day. I do not know why, but it’s ever so tempting to interact with fellow Catholics.

I try to read a chapter a day of The Imitation of Christ and I find that it’s leading me closer and closer to contemplation.

Don’t sell yourself short, seek the gold by growing closer to Christ daily, ignoring all the spirit-robbing noise and chatter of the world. Learning ‘history’ will not bring you closer to Christ, and learning it is so unnecessary.

LOVE!

 

[catholictiger]

It sounds like we both agree that our world contains deception, but we simply disagree how deep the deception goes. Neither of us really know for sure. In any event, we would be wise to cling to God, who is Truth.

LOVE!

the fact that there is deception in the world doesn’t mean we should flat out reject everything other than God. Rather, it calls for reading into things rather than just taking things at face value. For example you know that MSNBC is bias towards the left, you would keep that in mind when reading an article about any event on their website even if it wasn’t political, Fox news is bias towards the right, same things applies. We should take media with a grain of salt I agree, but scholarly work is different it.

Scholarly work is always peer reviewed and because of this the reliability of this goes way up. If someone makes a historical claim in a peer reviewed journal the reliability of that source is very high.

Again, sure there is deception the world, but saying that the Bible is the only reliable historical source (many parts of the bible are very questionable as far as it’s historical accuracy, this is for another thread) is problematic.