Would you vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran for president???

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Michael C:
I forgot Marc Rich was involved in oil for food. Why don’t we all agree on greatest 'Thief" in the US.
It’s unwise to use absolutes because there might be someone worse. Maybe “one of the greatest thieves” would describe him more accurately.
 
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Richardols:
Among many other things:

Introduced the Veterans Equitable Resource Allocation (VERA) so that veterans have access to quality health care, and the Retired Pay Restoration Act so that veterans with servic4e related disabilities can receive both retired pay and disability compensation.

She secured nearly 1 billion dollars in additional funding for New York’s Child Health Plus Program. She got legislation passed assuring that medicines needed by children must be studied for safety and effectiveness in children. And she introduced amendments to the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act that children have access to the most promising cancer drugs. The amendments were included in the law.

She’s done a lot more as well.
If those are the best things you can come up with, I doubt she has done a lot more as well, but thanks for providing. I really did wonder if she had done anything.
 
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Brad:
If those are the best things you can come up with, I doubt she has done a lot more as well, but thanks for providing. I really did wonder if she had done anything.
First, as to “the best I can come up with,” those are pretty good things. Look at a lot of Republican sponsored legislation - good things too, but not necessarily spectacular either. You can’t have fireworks go off with every bill introduced in Congress.

And, she has done a lot more in various areas - she works damned hard and the Senate knows it. I’m not going to fill messages with every piece of legislation she’s co-sponsored (even with conservatives!)

I’m glad you see that she’s not just sitting on her backside warming a chair.

And, I really don’t want her to run for President. I just want conservatism to be beaten and I see a good moderate centrist Democrat or Republican as President to be the best way to do it, not a declared Liberal who would likely lose.
 
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Richardols:
First, as to “the best I can come up with,” those are pretty good things. Look at a lot of Republican sponsored legislation - good things too, but not necessarily spectacular either. You can’t have fireworks go off with every bill introduced in Congress.

And, she has done a lot more in various areas - she works damned hard and the Senate knows it. I’m not going to fill messages with every piece of legislation she’s co-sponsored (even with conservatives!)

I’m glad you see that she’s not just sitting on her backside warming a chair.

And, I really don’t want her to run for President. I just want conservatism to be beaten and I see a good moderate centrist Democrat or Republican as President to be the best way to do it, not a declared Liberal who would likely lose.
Those things are pretty weak. Nobody on earth would oppose benefits for veterans - an easy pass, and benefit to only a small minority.

The drug legislation is simple window dressing to make it look like she’s doing something for the children, when most of these tests are already occuring as supply and demand dictates.

There is plenty of disk space on these forums - feel free to fill up with whatever else she has done in working so hard.

So, you support government funding of abortion here and around the world then?
 
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Brad:
Those things are pretty weak. Nobody on earth would oppose benefits for veterans - an easy pass, and benefit to only a small minority.
Then why hadn’t some Republican introduced the legislation before she did?
The drug legislation is simple window dressing to make it look like she’s doing something for the children, when most of these tests are already occuring as supply and demand dictates.
I don’t want my kid’s health to depend on supply and demand. The tests were demanded because they weren’t all being done.
 
Because I believe that it is destructive of the best things America has done and stands for, and the current administration exemplifies that destructiveness.

That said, I’m sure that there are hard-line lefties and hard-line right-wingers who disagree with me. Fine. They may work for their goals, just as I for mine and for those of folks who agree with me.
 
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Richardols:
Because I believe that it is destructive of the best things America has done and stands for, and the current administration exemplifies that destructiveness.

That said, I’m sure that there are hard-line lefties and hard-line right-wingers who disagree with me. Fine. They may work for their goals, just as I for mine and for those of folks who agree with me.
I don’t believe I’m hard line and I support this administration. I remember 9/11 and my friends and coworkers that were killed and I respect a President that is trying to do something about it, rather than President Clinton who chose to repeatedly ignore the threat of terrorism.
 
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Richardols:
Then why hadn’t some Republican introduced the legislation before she did?
Perhaps they thought that disability and retirement were 2 different things?
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Richardols:
I don’t want my kid’s health to depend on supply and demand. The tests were demanded because they weren’t all being done.
I would need further evidence that this was the case to believe it.
 
Michael C:
I respect a President that is trying to do something about it, rather than President Clinton who chose to repeatedly ignore the threat of terrorism.
Bush didn’t do anything in particular about terrorism either, prior to 9/11. Read about it. If you want to criticize presidents for what they didn’t do, both men are equally guilty before the WTC attack.
 
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Richardols:
Because I believe that it is destructive of the best things America has done and stands for, and the current administration exemplifies that destructiveness.

That said, I’m sure that there are hard-line lefties and hard-line right-wingers who disagree with me. Fine. They may work for their goals, just as I for mine and for those of folks who agree with me.
Interesting. It was conservatives that ended slavery.
 
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Richardols:
Bush didn’t do anything in particular about terrorism either, prior to 9/11. Read about it. If you want to criticize presidents for what they didn’t do, both men are equally guilty before the WTC attack.
Rich, you’re entitled to your opinions but I find this way out there. Bush was President for a whole 8 months, Clinton ignored repeated attacks for years. They are in no way equally responsible. Not even close.
 
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Brad:
Interesting. It was conservatives that ended slavery.
Concept of political conservative and political liberal as we understand them today didn’t exist then, so you can’t say that conservatives anymore than liberals freed the slaves.

I do know, however, that Southern conservatives kept the black people down until the 1960s. Heck, it’s only in the last few weeks that they’ve indicted that fellow in connection with the “Mississippi Burning” murders.
 
Michael C:
Rich, you’re entitled to your opinions but I find this way out there. Bush was President for a whole 8 months, Clinton ignored repeated attacks for years. They are in no way equally responsible. Not even close.
No one suggests that either man was responsible for the attack. They were, however, equally guilty of inaction vis-a-vis terrorism before 9/11.
 
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Brad:
Drugs for kids doesn’t mean anything if they are killed by abortion.
Huh? The drugs were not intended for use in or even discussed in connection with abortion. Why would you even think so?
 
I voted that it would depend on who was running against her.

It would really matter what the state of the Republican party at the time was. If they shift gears to a more moderate stance (i.e. John McCain), I would probably vote against Hillary. If the Republicans continue on their current stance, I would have a very difficult choice, as I don’t have much trust in Hillary, but the current administration scares me. Regardless of what politicians claim as labels, I think we should judge them on the outcome of their policies. Abortion rates are going up under Bush, the world is more unsettled, and the middle class is shrinking. Maybe it’s time to go beyond ideology, particularly on abortion, and ask what actually works [in reducing abortions], rather remaining in this 30+ year deadlock on whether it should be legal.
 
Philip P:
I voted that it would depend on who was running against her.

It would really matter what the state of the Republican party at the time was. If they shift gears to a more moderate stance (i.e. John McCain), I would probably vote against Hillary. If the Republicans continue on their current stance, I would have a very difficult choice, as I don’t have much trust in Hillary, but the current administration scares me. Regardless of what politicians claim as labels, I think we should judge them on the outcome of their policies. Abortion rates are going up under Bush, the world is more unsettled, and the middle class is shrinking. Maybe it’s time to go beyond ideology, particularly on abortion, and ask what actually works [in reducing abortions], rather remaining in this 30+ year deadlock on whether it should be legal.
This is one of the more scary posts that I have read. It appears to me that the writer of this post is trying to justify voting pro choice. It is this erosion of our faith that has to stop, if there is a chance to reverse Roe vs Wade. I did a search on the internet and every where I looked I saw that rates were going down. Maybe I looked in the wrong place, BUT if they did go up, how can anyone unless they are blinded to the left make the argument that Bush is the blame for the rise (again my search shows a decline) in abortions? Catholics can have an impact on this decision. The problem is that over 50% Catholics voted for a pro choice president because of this most harmful view stated above. Look at the numbers 45,000,000 and climbing daily! I cannot understand and am amazed that people trivialize this most important issue.
 
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FightingFat:
From my time here I have learned that most members of the forum are of the opinion that you can’t be a Democrat, a liberal or left wing and be a Catholic. Is that correct folks?
It is as simple as you cannot promote pro choice and be Catholic. At this point the democratic party solicits support from the radical pro choice people. It is stated in the democratic policy that they do and will continue to. The republican party is mostly pro life. People do not get it, it is not liberal, left wing, conservative, right wing, the MOST important issue in politics to being a Catholic is pro life. Unless there may be an equal travesty to abortion which is almost impossible.
45,000,000 and counting, how can you make it about anything but this is the main issue.
 
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