I think our dear little sister is afraid to look too far into history because it may upset her theological apple cart, which she cannot tolerate. Her responses have indicated that she is not willing to look at her faith with integrity, or engage in any meaningful dialogue about what Catholics have to say.
Jim Dandy,
I’ll take that as your long-winded way of saying, "no, I can’t support my assertion that Protestants believe the Bible to be in error.
WCH, this response is anything but long-winded. If you must indulge yourself in such snide remarks, at least make them accurate.
When I was sojourning in Protestant communities, I was taught that the Catholic bible was in error. It was not until I studied the construction of the canon that I realized that the Reformers had departed from the Apostolic Teaching.
No really, Anna!Esdra,
I thought it was complicated before; but now you tell me about your interest in pagan gods.
I’m really worried about you Esdra.
Since, you were Baptized into the Catholic Church, I will defer to Catholics in Communion with Rome to give comments and help.
I may be wrong, but I think you are crying out for help. There are many Catholics here who are more devoted to Christ than many in Baptist Churches–and I grew up in Southern Baptist Churches. So, please listen to your Catholic brethren. I know they can help. I will say don’t confuse emotion with the Holy Spirit. Some Evangelical Churches can really “work up” emotions during their services–sometimes to a point of frenzy. It’s easy to be deceived. Emotions do not equal the Holy Spirit.
Peace,
Anna
Edited to add PS: My apologies to the OP for the departure from our topic.
Are there official English translations of the Vulgate? Msgr. Roland Knox translated the Vulgate, which is in my little library, authorized by the hierarchy of England, Scotland, and Wales, but not by the Univeral Church. I’ve never seen an official English translation. Amazon doesn’t have one for sale. I searched the Internet and couldn’t find one. If you know of an officially approved English translation of the Vulgate, please let me know so I may obtain a copy…
That was one of the excuses that the Reformers used to take them out.
Hi,
I’m aware of the origin of the RSV-CE and NRSV-CE. It began as a translation used primarily by Protestants and is used by many Anglicans.
mpdmed,
I think, today, Catholics and non-Catholics have far more in common, when it comes to Bible translations.
For Catholics who remain suspicious of all Protestant translations, I give you the following information.
The Catholic Bible Association adopted the Revised Standard Version, used primarily by non-Catholics and edited it for Catholic use. The RSV became the Revised Standard Version- Catholic Edition. It has been reissued under the title, **The Ignatius Bible. **
In addition, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, uses the RSV and NRSV by permission from the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States.
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition
“Scripture quotations contained herein are adapted from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible, copyright © 1946, 1952, 1971, and the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible, copyright © 1989 by the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States, and are used by permission. All rights reserved.”
Link to Member Communions and Denominations of the National Council of Churches: ncccusa.org/members/index.html
The Catholic use of the RSV and NRSV in the CCC is rather surprising. One might expect an English translation of the Latin Vulgate; but that is not the case.
So, in the case of the RSV and NRSV; Catholics actually embraced a Protestant translation, and made some minor changes to make it acceptable for Catholics–thus was born the RSV-CE and NRSV-CE. I might add, there were very few changes made to the Catholic Editions of these translations. Most involved a difference in what was placed in the main body of the Biblical text and what was placed in the footnotes.
Also, the non-Catholic versions of the NRSV/RSV are available both with and without the Deuterocanonical Books.
I have a NRSV with the Deuterocanonical Books (they are included in the Anglican Canon) and I have one without these Books. The one without is simply lighter to carry.
Let’s celebrate the fact that we are all moving closer together.
Peace,
Anna
The effect of Protestant belief is that Jesus, the Apostles, the sacred writers of the NT, the Catholic Church founded by Christ for the salvation of the world, and the first Christians were wrong about which writings are inspired (God-breathed) Scripture.
Esdra,No really, Anna!
You don’t have to be worried.
I know what I am doing and I am also not crying for help.
Hey, that I am intersted in mythology and thought 8 years ago that the ancient gods were cool doesn’t mean I worship(ped) them.
They, the Catholic brethren here, have really done their best so far to “catechise” me and I really got through them very intersting insight in the Catholic Church - things I had no idea about before I entered this board the first time.
I don’t know myself what I learned in Religious Instruction (in Austria attending R.I. is NOT obligatory in schools; But I attended it for 13 years!), as well as the preperations to First Communion and Confirmation. - I would say, seen from today and knowing what I know now - practically nothing!
If you can do it, get a Navarre. This is the most recent, and includes the most scholarship, esp. recent findings.
Jim Dandy,
History is complicated.The English of the Douay-Rheims translation (1582/1610) is outdated. There are no translations of the Vulgate in 20th century English.
It’s sad that Anglicanism placed insurmountable impediments to unity by ordaining women and now women bishops, which moved us even further apart. But that’s a subject for another thread.
True, but that does not lessen the importance of the Bible in Catholic Christian life:
Come on now, Jim. I can’t believe you managed to work that into this thread, especially in response to my saying let’s celebrate the fact that we are moving closer together. I think your comment is what is called a “sucker punch.”
uch:newadvent.org/cathen/15367a.htm (history of the English versions)
Wyclifism (founded by John Wyclif,1328-84) taught many heresies, including that the Bible alone contains divine revelation and that the Pope has no primacy of jurisdiction.I think it was John Wycliffe who first translated a complete Bible into English primarily using the Vulgate. Of course Wycliffe was declared a heretic by the Catholic Church.
Yes, I own it. I failed to write ‘I know of no modern English translation.’ The language of the Douay (1582/1610, revised in the 18th century) is not suitable for the Catechism.
