Yes, in hell, but why forever

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oliver109 said:
I don’t think we die how we wanted, unless we commit suicide
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The Saints did. They died exactly how they wanted to: in friendship with God. They didn’t care how. All that mattered was that they were in a state of grace out of love for Him.
 
This sounds like the argument that you hear a lot in society about those who have ended up homeless, “why should I help a person who committed crime, ended up going to jail and then is on the streets, I managed to avoid doing bad things and so I don’t see why I should help someone who did not do the same” this attitude is rampant in our society and it really turns people bitter against each other
 
OneSheep said:
When they are choosing this way, they do not know what they are doing.

When they “let” this happen, it is because they do not know what they are doing.
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Says you.

The Church says otherwise.
OneSheep said:
This does not state that it is impossible for a fully aware person to choose hell.
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That’s your assertion. So, please show where the Church teaches what you say she teaches. 🍿
OneSheep said:
Are you refusing to answer the question?
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No. I already answered it. If God were to do this, it would be evil.
 
oliver109 said:
This sounds like the argument that you hear a lot in society about those who have ended up homeless, “why should I help a person who committed crime, ended up going to jail and then is on the streets, I managed to avoid doing bad things and so I don’t see why I should help someone who did not do the same” this attitude is rampant in our society and it really turns people bitter against each other
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Except it’s not. You said that no one dies how they wanted. I gave you an example to the contrary. The Saints do not by any means sit in an ivory tower and not give a care about the plight of the Church Militant. They spend all time praying to God on behalf of us here that we may join them up there. If that’s what you think the Saints are like, to be frank, you’re wrong.
 
So that means that the saints would be praying for God to give the likes of that priest I mentioned another chance?
 
oliver109 said:
So that means that the saints would be praying for God to give the likes of that priest I mentioned another chance?
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I don’t know what they would be praying for to be honest. They would be praying at the very least, I imagine, for his soul.
 
oliver109 said:
Maybe if God made it harder to commit mortal sins the priest would not have sinned.
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He did make it harder for us to sin. But then Adam ate the fruit which inclined us to sin.
 
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Fátima prayer between each Rosary decade “Oh Jesus forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy mercy”

I’m not going to say I know a soul is destined for hell if die w unforgiven mortal sin. Way over my pay grade.
 
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That Adam(and the fallen angels)had it easier than us in avoiding sin
 
It is Adams fault that priests today the world over are struggling to stop sin, I wish sin was not so easy to commit, it is like going down for a Sunday roast, not hard at all when in reality committing sin should be as difficult as passing an assessment to become a NASA astronaut.
 
oliver109 said:
It is Adams fault that priests today the world over are struggling to stop sin
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No, humans are struggling to stop sin
oliver109 said:
in reality committing sin should be as difficult as passing an assessment to become a NASA astronaut.
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That definetly would put most people on same level including those devout to God and those who hate God yet don’t sin since don’t meet the NASA test.
 
How can you hate God and not sin? It is a bit like hating an ethnicity and not being racist.
 
OneSheep said:
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I don’t blame anyone, and I am not God. Does this make me more forgiving than God?

Yes, we should indeed feel guilt when we sin, when we make erroneous judgments, which are attributable to blindness. …
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To blame, the verb means to assign responsibility for a fault or wrong. In the case of a sin, the individual is the one that decides what kind of sin it is and perhaps repent and seen absolution from God.

Certainly, when one has determined oneself to be guilty then repentance is in order. Not only due to blindness but due to malice. St. Thomas Aquinas comments on two things in S.T. I:II Q79: spiritual blindness and hardness of heart.

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1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1429 The process of conversion and repentance was described by Jesus in the parable of the prodigal son, the center of which is the merciful father:37 the fascination of illusory freedom, the abandonment of the father’s house; the extreme misery in which the son finds himself after squandering his fortune; his deep humiliation at finding himself obliged to feed swine, and still worse, at wanting to feed on the husks the pigs ate; his reflection on all he has lost; his repentance and decision to declare himself guilty before his father; the journey back; the father’s generous welcome; the father’s joy - all these are characteristic of the process of conversion. The beautiful robe, the ring, and the festive banquet are symbols of that new life - pure worthy, and joyful - of anyone who returns to God and to the bosom of his family, which is the Church. Only the heart Of Christ Who knows the depths of his Father’s love could reveal to us the abyss of his mercy in so simple and beautiful a way.
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The truth is that sin is very easy to commit, yes that includes horrific sins like rape or murder but in reality the easiest way to sin is with our mind, why would God condemn us for sinning so easily? I think that the majority of Christians do intend to amend their ways, that would include the priest in my scenario above who fornicated, surely it is only souls like Judas that have to go to Hell?
 
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