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[OurLadysServant]

Doesn’t change the fact of grave matter.

The yoga poses and mantras are the same as they were were 5,000 years ago, with the explicit intention of uniting to a snake goddess. Its was created as a religious practice to unite with that snake goddess, it was never created 5,000 years ago to be a sport.

Historically

Yoga is a religion. Predating christianity.
Its.focus through every action and mantra is to enter a trance like state to unite with a snake goddess.
Fact.

Should catholics be doing a sport, that is actually words and actions prayers intended to unite with a snake goddess?

So the argument exists, “Really, if I just do yoga for fun, am I inviting in the snake goddess?”

Answer:
Ouiji board for fun? Even aetheists who use a Ouiji board need deliverance afterwards.
Reiki? The reiki prayers are in a language the speaker doesn’t understand, yet the prayers invite satan to heal at the cost of the persons soul.
Grave matter can be committed without full knowledge, but that does not mean a person can enter into a new age practice without full knowledge and suffer from no deliverance issues. Aetheists who use a ouiji board may not have the knowledge its satanic, but they will still need catholic deliverance from evil spirits afterwards.

Committing grave matter without knowledge doesn’t mean there are no repercussions or side effects for the soul.

So knowledge and intent cannot be separated from actions and words that are pagan worship to a snake goddess.

Plenty of sports out there to get fit and relax with

 

[Contarini]

Doesn’t change the fact of grave matter.

The yoga poses and mantras are the same as they were were 5,000 years ago, with the explicit intention of uniting to a snake goddess.

Nonsense. We have no Hindu texts dating back 5,000 years ago. The Hindus claim to have such texts, but that’s no more believable than the claim that Moses wrote the Pentateuch–less, if anything

Its was created as a religious practice to unite with that snake goddess

No. Yoga is intended to help free a person from selfish passions unite a person to the divine, not to a “snake goddess.”

The Catholic Church explicitly recognizes that the Hindu search for the divine through philosophy and mysticism is legitimate and contains much that is true and holy.

Therefore, specific practices of Hindu origin should be examined based on their intrinsic character, not based on the kind of “guilt by association” you are engaging in, especially when you garble the history as badly as you are doing.

Edwin

 

[Michael_Mayo]

From that letter (Instruction on Some Aspects of Christian Meditaton:

1. Some physical exercises automatically produce a feeling of quiet and relaxation, pleasing sensations, perhaps even phenomena of light and of warmth, which resemble spiritual well-being. To take such feelings for the authentic consolations of the Holy Spirit would be a totally erroneous way of conceiving the spiritual life. Giving them a symbolic significance typical of the mystical experience, when the moral condition of the person concerned does not correspond to such an experience, would represent a kind of mental schizophrenia which could also lead to psychic disturbance and, at times, to moral deviations.

That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the** great non-Christian religions**, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.

What practices from “great non-Christian religions” is being referred to here?

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

 

[Michael_Mayo]

So knowledge and intent cannot be separated from actions and words that are pagan worship to a snake goddess.

The snake is a symbol for a putative innate potential. Nothing more.

What is more interesting is that there is a diagnostic category for “Spiritual Crisis”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_crisis
and Kundalini is one of many facets.

"Kundalini can also awaken spontaneously, for no obvious reason or triggered by intense personal experiences such as accidents, near death experiences, childbirth, emotional trauma,extreme mental stress, and so on.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini#Unpreparedness

 

[OurLadysServant]

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

Hi Michael.

That comment applies to hindus only
Because the church infallibly states earlier in the document, That eastern practices are INCOMPATIBLE with a CHRISTIAN as a spiritual path.

Also;
Grave matter is always grave matter.

Historically

Yoga is a religion. Predating christianity.
Its.focus through every action and mantra is to enter a trance like state to unite with a snake goddess.
Fact.

Should catholics be doing a sport, that is actually words and actions prayers intended to unite with a snake goddess?

So the argument exists, “Really, if I just do yoga for fun, am I inviting in the snake goddess?”

Answer:
Ouiji board for fun? Even aetheists who use a Ouiji board need deliverance afterwards.
Reiki? The reiki prayers are in a language the speaker doesn’t understand, yet the prayers invite satan to heal at the cost of the persons soul.
Grave matter can be committed without full knowledge, but that does not mean a person can enter into a new age practice without full knowledge and suffer from no deliverance issues. Aetheists who use a ouiji board may not have the knowledge its satanic, but they will still need catholic deliverance from evil spirits afterwards.

Committing grave matter without knowledgr doesn’t mean there are no repercussions or side effects for the soul.

So knowledge and intent cannot be separated from actions and words that are pagan worship to a snake goddess.

Plenty of sports out there to get fit and relax with

 

[Contarini]

Hi Michael.

That comment applies to hindus only
Because the church infallibly states earlier in the document, That eastern practices are INCOMPATIBLE with a CHRISTIAN as a spiritual path.

Where does the document state this?

And why do you think this document is infallible?

The rest of your post is a repeat of things you have already said. If you think there are points we have failed to respond to, restate them courteously and ask for a fuller response.

But the “snake goddess” claim, for instance, has been replied to by two different posters now (including me). If you aren’t satisfied with our replies, let’s continue the conversation. But if you just repeat the same post over and over, the conversation will not move forward and eventually people will lose respect for you as a serious dialogue partner.

Edwin

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Hi Michael.

That comment applies to hindus only
Because the church infallibly states earlier in the document, That eastern practices are INCOMPATIBLE with a CHRISTIAN as a spiritual path.

Where does it state Hindus only?

What practices are then allowed?

And where does it state “eastern practices are INCOMPATIBLE with a CHRISTIAN as a spiritual path.”

What I do see is “That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.”
No specification of Hindus only.
No declaration of incompatibility.

 

[OurLadysServant]

The Snake Goddess element of yoga is not a “force” but a deity that all yoga mantras and poses invite this deity to join them. Historic fact. Yoga is a religion. Fact. Hindus and various eastern countries use it as a religion. Fact.

Shiva has prominence among the gods of Yoga. He is the “patron” of all Yoga practitioners: “He is the deity of yogins par excellence and is often depicted as a yogin.”[6] Around his neck is a serpent, symbolizing his power over death; on his forehead is a third eye, through which he gains mystical vision and knowledge. His drumbeat is said to create the OM which reverberates in the heart and throughout the universe. In some depictions Shiva assumes the lotus posture in deep meditation. In other cases Shiva juggles fire while he dances with one foot in the air, indicating release from “earthly bondage.”
Some traditions include Shiva in a Hindu triad or trinity of gods, with Brahman as the “creator”, Vishnu as the “sustainer” or “preserver.” Shiva is said to be “the destroyer,” the one who annihilates the illusions of the ego and therefore gains liberation into ultimate reality:
…
While of course many hindu deities are associated with different paths of yoga and meditation, in Shiva the art of meditation takes its most absolute form. In meditation, not only mind is stopped, everything is dropped.[7]
…
Vishnu is another important god for Yoga; he is said to preserve and maintain the cosmic order dharma. Like Shiva, he is depicted with blue skin and four arms and is accompanied by serpents. It is said that Vishnu was incarnate nine times, the last two being the most significant: as Krishna and Buddha. Here I will focus on Krishna.
The Bhagavad-Gita, part of an ancient Hindu religious epic, portrays Krishna as the perfect Yoga guru to his disciple, the human hero Arjuna. Chapter 6 of the Gita contains material that would be familiar to many modern Yoga practitioners. Krishna defines Yoga negatively as “renunciation” of illusion and positively as “yoking oneself to the Supreme Consciousness” (6:2). For him, a yogin is one “established in self-realization” (6:8). Through elevating himself through his own mind (6:5), a Yoga practitioner attains the abode of Krishna, perfect happiness, “by cessation of material existence” (6:15). The means to acquire this is by practicing control of the body, mind, and activity with specific postures and meditation techniques (6:11-18).

The Yoga goddesses should not be neglected in our account. Here we can turn to the chief goddess, Shakti or Durga, known under different aspects. Shakti is seen as the divine force that destroys evil and restores balance: she “represents the cosmic energy of destruction of the ego, which stands in the way of spiritual growth and ultimate liberation.”[8] In some instances, Shakti assumes the role of Parvati, the energy and consort of Shiva; in other instances, the role of Lakshmi, the energy and consort of Vishnu. The most fearsome role Shakti plays is as Kali, the “Dark Mother” goddess, who, standing naked, wears a garland of skulls around her neck and a belt of heads around her waist, wielding a bloody sword and clutching a severed head. It is not uncommon for Yoga teachers to recommend tapping into this feminine-divine source of empowerment.

B.K.S. Iyengar, the renowned Yoga practitioner and theorist, explains it this way: “Dualities like gain and loss, victory and defeat, fame and shame, body and mind, mind and soul vanish through mastery of the asanas [Yoga postures].”[2] This is the doctrine of monism. It claims that there are no distinctions among things, that all is one and every difference is a harmful illusion, holding a person back from perfection. Once a person masters Yoga, “He is then free from birth and death, from pain and sorrow and becomes immortal. He has no self-identity as he lives experiencing the fullness of the Universal Soul.”[3] This is supreme ego-centrism under the guise of self-realization. “I am Brahman!” the Yoga practitioner can exult; “I am GOD; I am ALL!” But they should equally declare, “I am NO ONE. I am ILLUSION.”

The purpose of yoga is to “link” or “yoke” with the Hindu god Brahman. Yoga is not just physical exercise. It is impossible to separate yoga from the Hindu religion because yoga is religion. It is never taught without simultaneous teaching on meditation, mental health, etc. The purpose of kundalini yoga, for example, is to arouse and control the kundalini force. Kundalini literally means “coiled” and is the name of a Hindu goddess symbolized by a serpent with 31h coils, sleeping with its tail in its mouth. This serpent supposedly resides in the body of the human near the base of the spine. When aroused with proper control it brings strength, power and wisdom, also many psychic abilities, even abilities to miraculously heal.

Practicing yoga and believing in feng shui, horoscopes and lucky charms can make one vulnerable to demonic possession, warned an exorcist of the Archdiocese of Manila.
“When you practice yoga, you are told to ‘empty your mind’ while saying [the mantra] ‘om,’ so you can feel relaxed. But when you empty yourself, you’re opening yourself to possession. You have to be careful because demons might take advantage of (this) empty [vessel of your soul] and possess it,” Msgr. Jay Bandojo said during a recent talk at the Arzobispado de Manila in Intramuros.
The belief in occult practices, feng shui, lucky charms, amulets, fortune-telling, astrology, horoscope, transcendental meditation and similar practices also allow demons to have a claim over a person, said Bandojo, who has special permission to perform exorcisms.

 

[agnes_therese]

None of which has anything to do with the yoga practiced by many, many Christians in the west. Didn’t when you first started posting on this thread, still doesn’t now.

 

[Contarini]

The Snake Goddess element of yoga is not a “force” but a deity that all yoga mantras and poses invite this deity to join them. Historic fact.

Then document it. Furthermore, you don’t seem to have a good understanding of Hindiusm as a whole. Kundalini (the “snake goddess”) is seen as a form of energy coiled within the person, and yes, insofar as this energy is an expression of the divine feminine energy in everything, I suppose you could call it a “snake goddess.” But that isn’t a term I’ve seen in Hindu texts. It may be there, but you haven’t documented it. It’s best to describe other religions in their own terms instead of making up your own terminology, which may be misleading.

The purpose of yoga is not to “unite with a snake goddess” but to awaken the energy within oneself so that one can be united with the Divine.

Yoga is a religion. Fact.

No, not really. It’s a religious practice, which may be what you mean. But in fact, as your next sentence implies, it’s used by people of quite different traditions and philosophies. the anti-yoga Christian arguments, focusing on the concept of “kundalini,” seem to focus on the tantric aspects of yoga, which are certainly historically important. But there’s also the original “yoga philosophy,” in which the divine figure meditated on (who could vary) was more of a vehicle for freeing “purusha” from “prakriti” (basically soul from matter, though I believe the correspondence isn’t exact), and of course the Vedanta tradition, in which the goal is union with Brahman, the divine of which we are all manifestations, also uses yoga.

Shiva has prominence among the gods of Yoga. He is the “patron” of all Yoga practitioners: “He is the deity of yogins par excellence and is often depicted as a yogin.”[6]

That’s certainly one of Shiva’s aspects, but I think you need to avoid generalizing about “all yoga practitioners.”

The only Hindu deity/saint whom I’ve heard invoked in yoga classes is Patanjali, who wrote the classic yoga sutras. And yes, Patanjali also has a serpent connection–he’s thought to have been the incarnation of the serpent on which Vishnu eternally rests.

There is no getting around the fact that Hinduism has positive connections with serpent imagery. I understand that to you that indicates that Hinduism is demonic. I think that’s too simplistic a way of reading the imagery.

Some traditions include Shiva in a Hindu triad or trinity of gods, with Brahman as the “creator”, Vishnu as the “sustainer” or “preserver.”

Minor error here: Brahma the creator is not the same thing as Brahman. Or not so minor, because later on you refer to Brahman as a deity, which isn’t really true. Brahman is the ultimate reality behind all the deities.

Many Catholics and other Christians have reasonably concluded that Brahman is a “natural” apprehension of the true God–impersonal, because the Biblical revelation did not come to the Hindus.

The personal forms under which Hindus worship Brahman are more problematic. But yoga is not necessarily linked to any of those personal manifestations, even if Hindus naturally do invoke them when they practice yoga.

It is quite possible, in other words, for Christians who acknowledge Jesus as the personal manifestation of the Divine to practice yoga without compromising their beliefs. (The only conflict I’ve had in that respect was when Patanjali was invoked, and I probably would not attend a class where that was a regular practice. Or I might–as I did when this happened occasionally in the class I used to attend–say the Jesus Prayer or the Hail Mary under my breath or mentally.)

B.K.S. Iyengar, the renowned Yoga practitioner and theorist, explains it this way: “Dualities like gain and loss, victory and defeat, fame and shame, body and mind, mind and soul vanish through mastery of the asanas [Yoga postures].”[2] This is the doctrine of monism. It claims that there are no distinctions among things, that all is one and every difference is a harmful illusion, holding a person back from perfection. Once a person masters Yoga, “He is then free from birth and death, from pain and sorrow and becomes immortal. He has no self-identity as he lives experiencing the fullness of the Universal Soul.”[3]

Yes, although Patanjali’s “original” yoga philosophy was dualistic. This fact alone shows that yoga practice isn’t necessarily linked to one philosophy.

This is supreme ego-centrism under the guise of self-realization. “I am Brahman!” the Yoga practitioner can exult; “I am GOD; I am ALL!” But they should equally declare, “I am NO ONE. I am ILLUSION.”

Right. So obviously it isn’t “ego-centrism.” The whole point in Vedanta philosophy (the form of Hinduism Iyengar is describing) is to get rid of the ego–the false self. This is very much like the Christian understanding of “dying to self” and thus attaining abundant life

“When you practice yoga, you are told to ‘empty your mind’ while saying [the mantra] ‘om,’ so you can feel relaxed. But when you empty yourself, you’re opening yourself to possession. You have to be careful because demons might take advantage of (this) empty [vessel of your soul] and possess it,” Msgr. Jay Bandojo said during a recent talk at the Arzobispado de Manila in Intramuros.

Emptying yourself of selfish passions and obsessive thoughts doesn’t open one up to the demonic.

This is destructive nonsense. Good is being called evil here. We all need to empty ourselves. This is basic wisdom found in traditional Christianity as well as in other religions. Only modern conservative Christians, who have abandoned ancient wisdom for a frenetic will-worship, object to it

Edwin

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Quite an informed response there, Edwin. Very well said.

Years ago I read a lot of Georg Fuerstein and the philosophy of yoga and samhkya. Interesting stuff. Not nearly as black and white as the anti-yogis make out.

 

[OurLadysServant]

Then document it. Furthermore, you don’t seem to have a good understanding of Hindiusm as a whole. Kundalini (the “snake goddess”) is seen as a form of energy coiled within the person, and yes, insofar as this energy is an expression of the divine feminine energy in everything, I suppose you could call it a “snake goddess.” But that isn’t a term I’ve seen in Hindu texts. It may be there, but you haven’t documented it. It’s best to describe other religions in their own terms instead of making up your own terminology, which may be misleading.

The purpose of yoga is not to “unite with a snake goddess” but to awaken the energy within oneself so that one can be united with the Divine.

No, not really. It’s a religious practice, which may be what you mean. But in fact, as your next sentence implies, it’s used by people of quite different traditions and philosophies. the anti-yoga Christian arguments, focusing on the concept of “kundalini,” seem to focus on the tantric aspects of yoga, which are certainly historically important. But there’s also the original “yoga philosophy,” in which the divine figure meditated on (who could vary) was more of a vehicle for freeing “purusha” from “prakriti” (basically soul from matter, though I believe the correspondence isn’t exact), and of course the Vedanta tradition, in which the goal is union with Brahman, the divine of which we are all manifestations, also uses yoga.

That’s certainly one of Shiva’s aspects, but I think you need to avoid generalizing about “all yoga practitioners.”

The only Hindu deity/saint whom I’ve heard invoked in yoga classes is Patanjali, who wrote the classic yoga sutras. And yes, Patanjali also has a serpent connection–he’s thought to have been the incarnation of the serpent on which Vishnu eternally rests.

There is no getting around the fact that Hinduism has positive connections with serpent imagery. I understand that to you that indicates that Hinduism is demonic. I think that’s too simplistic a way of reading the imagery.

Minor error here: Brahma the creator is not the same thing as Brahman. Or not so minor, because later on you refer to Brahman as a deity, which isn’t really true. Brahman is the ultimate reality behind all the deities.

Many Catholics and other Christians have reasonably concluded that Brahman is a “natural” apprehension of the true God–impersonal, because the Biblical revelation did not come to the Hindus.

The personal forms under which Hindus worship Brahman are more problematic. But yoga is not necessarily linked to any of those personal manifestations, even if Hindus naturally do invoke them when they practice yoga.

It is quite possible, in other words, for Christians who acknowledge Jesus as the personal manifestation of the Divine to practice yoga without compromising their beliefs. (The only conflict I’ve had in that respect was when Patanjali was invoked, and I probably would not attend a class where that was a regular practice. Or I might–as I did when this happened occasionally in the class I used to attend–say the Jesus Prayer or the Hail Mary under my breath or mentally.)

Yes, although Patanjali’s “original” yoga philosophy was dualistic. This fact alone shows that yoga practice isn’t necessarily linked to one philosophy.

Right. So obviously it isn’t “ego-centrism.” The whole point in Vedanta philosophy (the form of Hinduism Iyengar is describing) is to get rid of the ego–the false self. This is very much like the Christian understanding of “dying to self” and thus attaining abundant life

Emptying yourself of selfish passions and obsessive thoughts doesn’t open one up to the demonic.

This is destructive nonsense. Good is being called evil here. We all need to empty ourselves. This is basic wisdom found in traditional Christianity as well as in other religions. Only modern conservative Christians, who have abandoned ancient wisdom for a frenetic will-worship, object to it

Edwin

The only difference between the yoga religion of the east, and the yoga practice of the west, is that easterners know what they are saying, and what deities they are worshipping through yoga.
Westerners generally don’t know what deity they are praying to, or what the translation of those words are.

Emptying oneself completely Is a technique that is an occult practice.

“Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.”
Grave matter even without full knowledge. Commandment.

 

[OurLadysServant]

Then document it. Furthermore, you don’t seem to have a good understanding of Hindiusm as a whole. Kundalini (the “snake goddess”) is seen as a form of energy coiled within the person, and yes, insofar as this energy is an expression of the divine feminine energy in everything, I suppose you could call it a “snake goddess.” But that isn’t a term I’ve seen in Hindu texts. It may be there, but you haven’t documented it. It’s best to describe other religions in their own terms instead of making up your own terminology, which may be misleading.

The purpose of yoga is not to “unite with a snake goddess” but to awaken the energy within oneself so that one can be united with the Divine.

No, not really. It’s a religious practice, which may be what you mean. But in fact, as your next sentence implies, it’s used by people of quite different traditions and philosophies. the anti-yoga Christian arguments, focusing on the concept of “kundalini,” seem to focus on the tantric aspects of yoga, which are certainly historically important. But there’s also the original “yoga philosophy,” in which the divine figure meditated on (who could vary) was more of a vehicle for freeing “purusha” from “prakriti” (basically soul from matter, though I believe the correspondence isn’t exact), and of course the Vedanta tradition, in which the goal is union with Brahman, the divine of which we are all manifestations, also uses yoga.

That’s certainly one of Shiva’s aspects, but I think you need to avoid generalizing about “all yoga practitioners.”

The only Hindu deity/saint whom I’ve heard invoked in yoga classes is Patanjali, who wrote the classic yoga sutras. And yes, Patanjali also has a serpent connection–he’s thought to have been the incarnation of the serpent on which Vishnu eternally rests.

There is no getting around the fact that Hinduism has positive connections with serpent imagery. I understand that to you that indicates that Hinduism is demonic. I think that’s too simplistic a way of reading the imagery.

Minor error here: Brahma the creator is not the same thing as Brahman. Or not so minor, because later on you refer to Brahman as a deity, which isn’t really true. Brahman is the ultimate reality behind all the deities.

Many Catholics and other Christians have reasonably concluded that Brahman is a “natural” apprehension of the true God–impersonal, because the Biblical revelation did not come to the Hindus.

The personal forms under which Hindus worship Brahman are more problematic. But yoga is not necessarily linked to any of those personal manifestations, even if Hindus naturally do invoke them when they practice yoga.

It is quite possible, in other words, for Christians who acknowledge Jesus as the personal manifestation of the Divine to practice yoga without compromising their beliefs. (The only conflict I’ve had in that respect was when Patanjali was invoked, and I probably would not attend a class where that was a regular practice. Or I might–as I did when this happened occasionally in the class I used to attend–say the Jesus Prayer or the Hail Mary under my breath or mentally.)

Yes, although Patanjali’s “original” yoga philosophy was dualistic. This fact alone shows that yoga practice isn’t necessarily linked to one philosophy.

Right. So obviously it isn’t “ego-centrism.” The whole point in Vedanta philosophy (the form of Hinduism Iyengar is describing) is to get rid of the ego–the false self. This is very much like the Christian understanding of “dying to self” and thus attaining abundant life

Emptying yourself of selfish passions and obsessive thoughts doesn’t open one up to the demonic.

This is destructive nonsense. Good is being called evil here. We all need to empty ourselves. This is basic wisdom found in traditional Christianity as well as in other religions. Only modern conservative Christians, who have abandoned ancient wisdom for a frenetic will-worship, object to it

Edwin

The Catholic Churches document on New Age includes mentions of yoga:

2003, the Vatican sounded further alarms regarding New Age practices including meditation.[6] Monsignor Michael Fitzgerald stated at the Vatican conference on A Christian Reflection on the New Age that the “Church avoids any concept that is close to those of the New Age”. Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said that the “New Age is a misleading answer to the oldest hopes of man.”[13][14] According to the review of the document in The Tablet “there is never any doubt in the document the Catholic Church released that New Age is incompatible with and hostile to the core beliefs of Christianity.”

 

[agnes_therese]

The only difference between the yoga religion of the east, and the yoga practice of the west, is that easterners know what they are saying, and what deities they are worshipping through yoga.
Westerners generally don’t know what deity they are praying to, or what the translation of those words are.

Those of us who are practicing western physical yoga – which is not a religion, by the way – don’t need any translation. Because if we pray during yoga, it’s our own prayers – the Our Father and Hail Mary, for example.

Why would I need a translation of prayers said in English, prayers that are also said during the Rosary and Holy Mass? Why would I not know that I’m praying to the ONLY deity, the Lord God? You speak as though there are others.

You’re really getting further and further off-base with every post.

 

[kozlosap]

Those of us who are practicing western physical yoga – which is not a religion, by the way – don’t need any translation. Because if we pray during yoga, it’s our own prayers – the Our Father and Hail Mary, for example.

Why would I need a translation of prayers said in English, prayers that are also said during the Rosary and Holy Mass? Why would I not know that I’m praying to the ONLY deity, the Lord God? You speak as though there are others.

You’re really getting further and further off-base with every post.

YES!!! Reciting the Rosary is what I do during yoga. It’s just perfect

 

[Contarini]

Emptying oneself completely Is a technique that is an occult practice.

So when Pope Benedict spoke admiringly of St. John of the Cross’ emphasis on “self-emptying,” he was commending an occult practice?

Of course you can say that this is different from “occult self-emptying.”

But how?

Christian tradition speaks of self-emptying. It does not condemn such language. That much is clear.

Edwin

 

[OurLadysServant]

YES!!! Reciting the Rosary is what I do during yoga. It’s just perfect

**This document of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith stresses the differences between Christian and eastern meditative approaches. It warns of the dangers of attempting to mix Christian meditation with eastern approaches **

In reply;
Fact:
The yoga religion of the east is the exact same as the sport yoga of the west. So,.the eastern yoga religion in the east, is.the exact same as.the yoga sport here. It was invented 5,000 years ago as a religion to a snake deity, and.continues to be a religion to this snake deity in the east. The same mantras and postures are used in the west as in the east, that the easterners use to unite with their deity snake goddess.
Grave matter is still grave matter even if full knowledge, and deliberate intent are absent. Is it okay to commit grave matter as much as you want just because you pray while committing the grave matter?

Fact:
See the following details that new age cannot be mixed with catholicism.

Direct quotes from the document; that renounce self emptying of new age (and yoga is included among new age practices in the document, mentioned alongside reiki, channeling, egyptian occult, not a great category to include it in?)

About meditation techniques in new age
B]Life in Christ is not something so personal and private that it is restricted to the realm of consciousness. Nor is it merely a new level of awareness. It involves being transformed in our soul and in our body by participation in the sacramental life of the Church. Christian prayer is not an exercise in self-contemplation, stillness and self-emptying,

 

[agnes_therese]

**This document of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith stresses the differences between Christian and eastern meditative approaches. It warns of the dangers of attempting to mix Christian meditation with eastern approaches **

No one here is talking about mixing Christian and eastern meditation, making this remark completely irrelevant.

In reply;
Fact:
The yoga religion of the east is the exact same as the sport yoga of the west. So,.the eastern yoga religion in the east, is.the exact same as.the yoga sport here. It was invented 5,000 years ago as a religion to a snake deity, and.continues to be a religion to this snake deity in the east. The same mantras and postures are used in the west as in the east, that the easterners use to unite with their deity snake goddess.

No, not fact. As anyone with any knowledge of yoga, as practiced by many Christians in the west, knows. No mantras for many of us, either. So sorry to disappoint!

Grave matter is still grave matter even if full knowledge, and deliberate intent are absent. Is it okay to commit grave matter as much as you want just because you pray while committing the grave matter?

(a) Actually, the Catechism says that full knowledge, and consent, ARE required.

(b)Still waiting for your proof that stretching muscles and joints is “grave matter.” (adding a bunch of colors to make your post harder to read, by the way, doesn’t count as proof)

Fact:
See the following details that new age cannot be mixed with catholicism.

Which, again, no one here is talking about doing.

About meditation techniques in new age
**Life in Christ is **not something so personal and private that it is restricted to the realm of consciousness. Nor is it merely a new level of awareness. It involves being transformed in our soul and in our body by participation in the sacramental life of the Church. Christian prayer is not an exercise in self-contemplation, stillness and self-emptying,

In addition to yoga, you need to brush up on your knowledge of Christian contemplation. Not that anyone here was talking about contemplation during yoga.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

“That does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures.”

OurLadysServant, what practices from “great non-Christian religions” is being referred to here?

 

[TMC]

The only difference between the yoga religion of the east, and the yoga practice of the west, is that easterners know what they are saying, and what deities they are worshipping through yoga.
Westerners generally don’t know what deity they are praying to, or what the translation of those words are.

Emptying oneself completely Is a technique that is an occult practice.

“Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.”
Grave matter even without full knowledge. Commandment.

First, one cannot accidentally pray to some unknown deity or worship some unknown god. Prayer and worship depend on intent. If a Hindu girl wears a cross as a decoration, is she accidentally worshipping Christ? Does wearing a cross make her Christian? Of course not.

Second, it is not possible to accidentally worship some other god because their is only one God, so any prayers directed to the Deity are either directed at Him or nowhere.

I occasionally work some yoga into my fitness routine. It is very helpful in a number of ways, and I am quite confident that I am not worshipping a Hindu god.