YOGA...ooer!

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Michael_Mayo said:
How can you not see that it is the same exercises with a different philosophy?
That is what I have been saying this entire thread.šŸ¤·
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Friardchips seems to believe that if you change the name of something, you change what it is.

I could all my cat a dog for the rest of her life. She will still be a cat.
 
agnes_therese said:
Friardchips seems to believe that if you change the name of something, you change what it is.

I could all my cat a dog for the rest of her life. She will still be a cat.
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The name and the philosophy. But the critter remains the same.
 
agnes_therese said:
Friardchips seems to believe that if you change the name of something, you change what it is.

I could all my cat a dog for the rest of her life. She will still be a cat.
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Exactly! :D:thumbsup: You just proved my point!

Until Yoga at root level is changed to be based upon core Christain Dogma then Yoga will always be Yoga.

So unless we change the names of Yoga elements, they are still Yoga, because they are rooted in Hindu and Buddhist spirituality.

If you change the names, you take away your adherence to Hindu philosophy ,and Buddhist origins too. Because to change the name is to change your allegience.

Agnes-Therese , you seem to think that Yoga was created by our Lord in Heaven, otherwise you would not liken Yoga to a cat, which is a creature born of evolution, Willed by our Creator.

Be sure, that ā€œsleepā€ - which Michael used as a comparison earlier, and ā€œcatsā€ are natural-level creations as opposed to Yoga which is based on human thinking and not containing the whole truth.

You let yourself in for that one! šŸ˜ƒ
 
To visualise my point, think of the childrenā€™s story: ā€˜Jack and the Beanstalkā€™.

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friardchips said:
Exactly! :D:thumbsup: You just proved my point!

Until Yoga at root level is changed to be based upon core Christain Dogma then Yoga will always be Yoga.

So unless we change the names of Yoga elements, they are still Yoga, because they are rooted in Hindu and Buddhist spirituality.

If you change the names, you take away your adherence to Hindu philosophy ,and Buddhist origins too. Because to change the name is to change your allegience.

Agnes-Therese , you seem to think that Yoga was created by our Lord in Heaven, otherwise you would not liken Yoga to a cat, which is a creature born of evolution, Willed by our Creator.

Be sure, that ā€œsleepā€ - which Michael used as a comparison earlier, and ā€œcatsā€ are natural-level creations as opposed to Yoga which is based on human thinking and not containing the whole truth.

You let yourself in for that one! šŸ˜ƒ
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This post reminds me of a facebook meme that makes exactly as much sense (on second thought, maybe more).
It says:
ā€œA train from Chicago is travelling at the speed of light; you have 7 apples and 4 pencils, how many pancakes will fit on the roof? Purple, because aliens donā€™t wear hats!ā€
 
agnes_therese said:
This post reminds me of a facebook meme that makes exactly as much sense (on second thought, maybe more).
It says:
ā€œA train from Chicago is travelling at the speed of light; you have 7 apples and 4 pencils, how many pancakes will fit on the roof? Purple, because aliens donā€™t wear hats!ā€
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Yes, exactly, again!

You have just proved my point AGAIN! :clapping:

: Best to steer clear of unknowns! Because they range from dangerous to plain nonsense!

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Michael_Mayo said:
So the same position is used in both:banghead:.
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Let me put it ANOTHER way. Now focus ;):

If there was some act or other that Free Masons did that you thought was just an act that in no way was a moral wrong, a sin, in-of-itselfā€¦(bear with me here)ā€¦so you decided to copy that actā€¦(because it was not morally wrong)ā€¦but then decided to go andā€¦

ā€¦wear a badge on your jacket while you did it, with *ā€˜Free Masonsā€™ *written on the badge, what do you think that would be signifying?!

Now do you understand why it is that names are important?

Everything in the Universe that humans recognise have names attributed to them, because names represent what they stand for, to distinguish one thing from another, and in Christianity too where some names are understood to be divinely-inspired - names can be holy! So, unless you think that names are not representative of anything (which they are) then this argument for not changing names (to keep using Yoga labels) does not stand. Because names contain meaning.

So if you do Yoga and use the lingo then you are advocating Yoga. Plain and simple. You are wearing the badge.

If you do another fitness course then you are advocating that fitness course. Plain and simple. You are wearing the badge.

Capiche?
 
Now you are changing your tune. You have said the poses in and of themselves were spiritually dangerous ( and some immodest) and could not be separated from the philosophy. Now you are saying they can. And that is what I have been saying all these pages.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Now you are changing your tune. You have said the poses in and of themselves were spiritually dangerous ( and some immodest) and could not be separated from the philosophy. Now you are saying they can. And that is what I have been saying all these pages.
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Noā€¦I am saying that one cuts the chord, chops down the beanstalk, scribbles out the Hindu philosophies that are scorching the Bible pages, puts on some new lyrca, and starts all this by taking off the badge in the meantime etcā€¦

It is the perspective you are starting from, first off all. Then intentions need educating. The Christianā€™s intentions already are, supposedly. At least after enquiry and discernment.

The eradicating of Yoga labels for reasons just given - about what they represent - exists on many levels, both theoretically and spiritually, but the reason I stopped arguing, as I already said, from the demonology side of things, is because it is too difficult proving a point in the abstract, or better still, the unseen.

I think that positions themselves can invoke but this depends on a lot of factors. I donā€™t think demons will always be invoked. Satan is not omni-present. Although there are a lot of demons, I think. But not present everytime a Yoga move is practiced. Hence, why many times, I referred instead to hinting at the dangers of entering spiritual unknowns.

So, going back to why names are important, do you now understand why?
 
I understand why you think so but I do not agree. It is rather nit picky, orthodoxy correctness run off the tracksā€¦ More a concern for scandel among folks like you then actual danger. What is important is the philosophy and the intention which can be separated from the positionsā€¦

If you do think that positions themselves can invoke demons that would have to apply to Pietra Fitness also.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
I understand why you think so but I do not agree. It is rather nit picky, orthodoxy correctness run off the tracksā€¦ More a concern for scandel among folks like you then actual danger. What is important is the philosophy and the intention which can be separated from the positionsā€¦

If you do think that positions themselves can invoke demons that would have to apply to Pietra Fitness also.
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I donā€™t agree (you probably guessed Iā€™d say that!)ā€¦

So, as the Bible says: if we canā€™t agree, then eventually we leave it: I think I am correct; you donā€™t agree - this end to the dialogue between us, proves why real learning takes place through example, not lip service. A long lesson for me to learn by! A fifty-odd page one!

There are so many pages on this thread filled with discussion consisting of widely varying viewpoints, so hopefully, although it is unlikely that new people will view this thread as it sits quietly in a long forgotten corner of the forum, if anyone does chance upon it, hopefully they will read for themselves all the arguments for or against, and be able to make their own minds up, one way or the other.

Sometimes we just have to leave it all up to providence!

:blessyou:
 
friardchips said:
Hi. A few months ago I joined a thread discussing both sides of an argument over whether Yoga was a spiritual health risk to Christians or not. My mother just found this article and so am posting the URL for all to see (with some relief I hasten to add):

msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/yoga-leads-to-satan-says-northern-ireland-priest/ar-BBhPe5f

Also, Pope Francis is quoted as saying this: ā€œ***'Do not seek spiritual answers in yoga classes.ā€ ***

The priest went on to say: ā€œWhen you take up those practices from other cultures, which are outside our Christian domain, you donā€™t know what you are opening yourself up to. The bad spirit can be communicated in a variety of ways. Iā€™m not saying everyone gets it, or that it happens every time, and people may well be doing yoga harmlessly. But thereā€˜s always a risk and thatā€™s why the Pope mentioned it and thatā€™s why we talk about that in terms of the danger of the new age movement and the danger of the occult today. Thatā€™s the fear.ā€

Maybe also the speaker from the U.S who was a speaker on this Catholic forum might like to retract his answer to someone who rang in on the radio and he told them to go ahead joining in Yoga and that he even practiced yoga himselfā€¦Yogaā€¦ooer!
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I have not read very much of this very long thread and find the discussion quite uninteresting, However I thought some of you may be interested in reading this article and being appropriately alarmed: theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/31/yoga-army-us-military
 
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