You can't be both a Catholic and a Feminist

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Recently, I have read a number of articles on the Internet and threads that reference women who consider themselves catholics and feminists.

In my mind feminism is an ‘ISM’ and simply put you can’t subscribe to it if you are a catholic. You will love one and hate the other.

Women who can’t accept the role of men as priests (fathers of the faith) can’t accept in their hearts that Jesus was a man.

The more I encounter women who don’t accept the churches teachings the more I think that it is all a test for them. A test that most of them are failing. When they fight the opposite sex and thurst for power they fail God and mock their roles as mothers.

God is great in his wisdom.
 
I am both a feminist and a Catholic. I am also a proud member of Feminists for Life, and as the organization points out on their website, the early feminists were against abortion.

There is nothing wrong with a Catholic believing that women are equal in dignity to men or that women deserve the right to vote, equal pay for equal work, etc. In fact, it’s quite Christian.

What is the problem you perceive?

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ElizabethAnne:
I am both a feminist and a Catholic. I am also a proud member of Feminists for Life, and as the organization points out on their website, the early feminists were against abortion.

There is nothing wrong with a Catholic believing that women are equal in dignity to men or that women deserve the right to vote, equal pay for equal work, etc. In fact, it’s quite Christian.

What is the problem you perceive?
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ElizabethAnne,

It depends on your definition of feminist, if all you see and hear are the feminists that decry the male only priesthood and the pro-life way of life, you could get the wrong impression of what TRUE feminism is. The radical feminists and Catholocism do seem to be mutually exclusive. I support and applaud true feminism, which to me is upholding the dignaty of women while NOT degrading men or children in the womb.
 
I’m with John. the notion of “True Feminism” is quite sound; it is the feminists who consider men “the enemy” or the ones who think equality requires the abandonment of femininity for masculinity that are at odds with the faith.
 
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yochumjy:
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That was the first thing that went through my head when I saw this topic. In order to decide if one can be both feminist and Catholic, we need to first define what is a feminist. There seems to be radically different opinions in the world. The dictionary defines Feminist as one who’s beliefs and behaviors adhere to Feminism. It further defines Feminism as the belief in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes. Is this opposed to Catholic teaching? I think not.
 
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ElizabethAnne:
I am both a feminist and a Catholic. I am also a proud member of Feminists for Life, and as the organization points out on their website, the early feminists were against abortion.

There is nothing wrong with a Catholic believing that women are equal in dignity to men or that women deserve the right to vote, equal pay for equal work, etc. In fact, it’s quite Christian.

What is the problem you perceive?

God bless.
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that is the problem with feminism. It is like paganism. It has many faces. If you want to say that you support women as the church does then that is fine. But why do you have to call yourself a feminist? Don’t you realize that the church does more work to help women then the feminist organizations. Don’t know you know that the the church alone is all you need?

I’m sorry but I just don’t understand why you need to call yourself a feminist? Why is it not enough for you to be Catholic? Who told you that the catholic church is not enough for you?
 
I would contribute that any “ism” that holds as its philosophical foundation the idea of conflict theory is what is contrary to the faith.
 
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yochumjy:
ElizabethAnne,

It depends on your definition of feminist, if all you see and hear are the feminists that decry the male only priesthood and the pro-life way of life, you could get the wrong impression of what TRUE feminism is. The radical feminists and Catholocism do seem to be mutually exclusive. I support and applaud true feminism, which to me is upholding the dignaty of women while NOT degrading men or children in the womb.
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I would argue that it is impossible to uphold the dignity of women and degrade men or their children.

Of course there are radical feminists. Of course they believe their “rights” somehow disappear as soon as become pregnant and they want to be able to “opt out” of motherhood. We all know this. My point was that there is no reason to throw out the entire idea of feminism just because many are trying to distort it.
 
Michael Welter:
That was the first thing that went through my head when I saw this topic. In order to decide if one can be both feminist and Catholic, we need to first define what is a feminist. There seems to be radically different opinions in the world. The dictionary defines Feminist as one who’s beliefs and behaviors adhere to Feminism. It further defines Feminism as the belief in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes. Is this opposed to Catholic teaching? I think not.
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Feminism is facet or moral relativism and that is why you can’t define it. You can give it a try, but everyone will disagree with you.

The catholic church upholds the needs of women on its own. It does not need feminism. Jesus did not need feminism. Why should a woman who is a catholic need to call herself a feminist?

I would love to hear women say, “No I am a catholic” the catholic church upholds the rights of woman and it protects them.

In my mind this is the very reason why the church is seen as anti woman in the world. It is because the women who are catholic do not defend it. They call themself feminist catholics. It makes me sick. It’s like a woman who always talks about how great her last boyfriend was dispite the fact that the man who loves her would do anything for her.

Catholic women need to stop calling themselves feminist catholics. Catholic men need to instruct their daughters and their wives on this evil.
 
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kev7:
Feminism is facet or moral relativism and that is why you can’t define it. You can give it a try, but everyone will disagree with you.

The catholic church upholds the needs of women on its own. It does not need feminism. Jesus did not need feminism. Why should a woman who is a catholic need to call herself a feminist?

I would love to hear women say, “No I am a catholic” the catholic church upholds the rights of woman and it protects them.

In my mind this is the very reason why the church is seen as anti woman in the world. It is because the women who are catholic do not defend it. They call themself feminist catholics. It makes me sick
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ElizabethAnne:
I would argue that it is impossible to uphold the dignity of women and degrade men or their children.

Of course there are radical feminists. Of course they believe their “rights” somehow disappear as soon as become pregnant and they want to be able to “opt out” of motherhood. We all know this. My point was that there is no reason to throw out the entire idea of feminism just because many are trying to distort it.
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I hope you realize, I was supporting you. You do admit, as with many things the vocal minority gets noticed the most. And of course it is impossible to truly uphold the dignity of woman and degrade men and children, but that IS the attempt by radical feminism. My guess is we are on the same side here! On the other hand in order to overcome the wrongness of the radical part of feminism, you need to accept that they are there and overcome them with truth. Forgive me if I’m wrong but you sound defensive, and when you react like that it simply puts people off. Of course, I would never do anything like that myself! 😛
 
ok one last point that will destroy all arguments.

Mother Teresa NEVER called herself a feminist! She was not a humanitarian either (as the media would have you believe). She was an example of a good Catholic woman. Good bless her a thousand times over.

All you women who call yourselves feminist need to take her as role model.
 
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kev7:
ok one last point that will destroy all arguments.

Mother Teresa NEVER called herself a feminist! She was not a humanitarian either (as the media would have you believe). She was an example of a good Catholic woman. Good bless her a thousand times over.

All you women who call yourselves feminist need to take her as role model.
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or Mary’s!
 
There are faithful Catholics who support the future ordination of women to the diaconate, and there are faithful Catholics who oppose the future ordination of women to the diaconate.

What is wrong with the use of additional labels on top of the basic term “Catholic” to distinguish between the many valid viewpoints on women’s issues that are allowed by the Catholic Church?
 
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Catholic2003:
There are faithful Catholics who support the future ordination of women to the diaconate, and there are faithful Catholics who oppose the future ordination of women to the diaconate.

What is wrong with the use of additional labels on top of the basic term “Catholic” to distinguish between the many valid viewpoints on women’s issues that are allowed by the Catholic Church?
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It is not just a label! It is an ‘ISM’ and a religion of sorts. If it was just a label then why do you need it? Answer that question?
Mother teresa didn’t need it did she? She lived in our modern world and she had no use of it.

Why do you have to be a feminist? What is missing in the catholic church that pushes you to add that label to your name?

“Catholic” is not a TERM is a truth.

Catholics who support the future ordination of women to the diaconate reject the teachings of the holy father.

Calling yourself a feminist catholic simply says, “I don’t accept all church teachings” It also makes the church look like it doesn’t defend women. When you add that ‘label’ you are telling everyone outside the church that it is missing something.
 
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kev7:
Mother teresa didn’t need it did she? She lived in our modern world and she had no use of it.
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And if Mother Teresa didn’t need it, then it logically follows that nobody else needs it either? Fortunately, Catholicism isn’t the straight-jacket of uniformity that you make it out to be with this argument.

Faithful Catholics can still disagree on quite a number of important issues.
 
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Catholic2003:
And if Mother Teresa didn’t need it, then it logically follows that nobody else needs it either? Fortunately, Catholicism isn’t the straight-jacket of uniformity that you make it out to be with this argument.

Faithful Catholics can still disagree on quite a number of important issues.
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You didn’t answer my question. Why do you need to add the ‘Label’ of feminist to your title as a catholic.

You are right. NOBODY ELSE NEEDS FEMINISM . Catholics don’t need it because the church already upholds the rights of women. Mother Teresa proved this.

When it comes to the protection of women and support that they need I would rather trust the catholic church. I would rather trust Jesus.

Why do you think that Catholic teaching isn’t Clear? Did the holy father through his inspired works not help us in that regard?

The word of God is clear. It is the truth and it always will be.

You can not say, “I follow the word of God and the word of feminism”

The word of God is all you need.
 
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ElizabethAnne:
I am both a feminist and a Catholic. I am also a proud member of Feminists for Life, and as the organization points out on their website, the early feminists were against abortion.
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Discontinue your membership and join “Catholics for life” be a catholic woman and not a feminst woman.
 
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