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Karen1960
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It is not the act of praying to the Saint, you ask the Saint to pray for you.
The Glory belong to God alone.
Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? To intercede on your behalf?
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The Glory belong to God alone.
Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? To intercede on your behalf?
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NonCatholic
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By the way, thank you for your service as a correctional officer; not an easy thing to do, but honorable. God bless!
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pete_29
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Thank you, it was my honor to protect people like you.
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RobHom
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The Catholic answer would be “no”, but since that is not the case, its not even a valid question.
For your edification and education, please go to these links and spend some time reading…all the “biblical” justification you could ever desire are on this links:
newadvent.org/cathen/08070a.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12fc.htm
newadvent.org/summa/5072.htm
Those are a few to get “justifications” for intercessory prayer, and here is some information about the “Sub Tuum” which is the oldest known prayer to Mary as an intercessor…that was found in the early 20th century that has been verified and dated back to the 3rd century AD …
stteresa-avila.org/praesidium.html
immaculateheartworks.com/subtuum.html
nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sub-tuum-praesidium
maryvictrix.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/knights-of-the-patronage/
If you read closely, you will find that not only Roman Catholics believe in “intercessory prayer”, as many other “rites” do as well.
It does seem however quite clear that Roman Catholics and the other “rites” are the only ones who understand the justifications and purpose of the prayers.
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pete_29
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In my opinion it doesn’t prove anything, as for me not understanding, not being a learned man, that could be true, I accept like a child, that God left us a Church, and that Church was built on a Rock, and that Rock was Peter, it was built by Christ and is His Church and the power of satan will not overcome it, and since satan will not overcome it, anything that comes from it must be true.
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jwatza
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I ask Mary to pray for me because she is closer to God than I am–just as I might ask someone on earth who is holier than I to pray for me because they are closer to Him than I. I have a long ways to go in regards to holiness and any prayers from others on my behalf are much appreciated.
Another thought on the rosary–Fr. Corapi talks about it as the prayer of the Gospels–we meditate upon the mysteries of Christ’s life–found in the gospels. We meditate on what is in Scripture,
Here are the mysteries of the Holy Rosary: Joyful Mysteries–The Annunciation, The Visitation, the Nativity, the Presentation at the temple, the Finding in the temple.
Sorrowful Mysteries—Agony in the garden, the scourging at the pillar, the crown of thorns, the carrying of the cross and the crucifixion. The Glorious mysteries: the Resurrection, the Ascension, the descent of the Holy Spirit, the assumption of Mary and Crowning of Mary Queen of heaven and earth. (these last 2 from Tradition) the Luminous mysteries–Baptism of the Lord, wedding feast at Cana, proclamation of the kingdomof God, the transfiguration and finally the Institution of the Eucharist.
This is a whole lot of Scripture that we meditate upon when we pray the Rosary!
Another thought on the rosary–Fr. Corapi talks about it as the prayer of the Gospels–we meditate upon the mysteries of Christ’s life–found in the gospels. We meditate on what is in Scripture,
Here are the mysteries of the Holy Rosary: Joyful Mysteries–The Annunciation, The Visitation, the Nativity, the Presentation at the temple, the Finding in the temple.
Sorrowful Mysteries—Agony in the garden, the scourging at the pillar, the crown of thorns, the carrying of the cross and the crucifixion. The Glorious mysteries: the Resurrection, the Ascension, the descent of the Holy Spirit, the assumption of Mary and Crowning of Mary Queen of heaven and earth. (these last 2 from Tradition) the Luminous mysteries–Baptism of the Lord, wedding feast at Cana, proclamation of the kingdomof God, the transfiguration and finally the Institution of the Eucharist.
This is a whole lot of Scripture that we meditate upon when we pray the Rosary!
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RobHom
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I think what is the saddest feature of the lack of understanding that non-Catholics have about Catholic prayers…and in particular the Rosary…is their not understanding that the Rosary is not “all about Mary”…
Here is a link that explains the Rosary, and if you take the time to read the instructions as to how to pray the Rosary…you will find that Christ is at the center of the Rosary…you will find this as you go through the “mysteries”…
medjugorje.org/rosary.htm
Here is a link that explains the Rosary, and if you take the time to read the instructions as to how to pray the Rosary…you will find that Christ is at the center of the Rosary…you will find this as you go through the “mysteries”…
medjugorje.org/rosary.htm
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believers
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Yes it is. According to the Word of God… it is “much speaking” just like heathens which is vain to God.THE ROSARY IS REPITION!!!
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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pete_29
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So , Saying I believe In God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, His Son, and in the Holy Spirit, and saying the Lords Prayer, and saying Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit is vain repetition.
Who’d have guessed?
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believers
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This is repetitionSo , Saying I believe In God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, His Son, and in the Holy Spirit, and saying the Lords Prayer, and saying Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit is vain repetition.
Who’d have guessed?
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
Our Father, who art in heaven…
That’s exactly what heathens do. Have you ever heard them pray? They even use rosary beads to keep count. Does that sound familiar?
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RobHom
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This is obviously your opinion…and you seem to forget that Christ Himself told us how to pray…so then I can only imagine that you believe the “Our Father”, which Christ instructed us to pray is vain and heathen?
Given the fact that your argument dies based on the snippet of scripture you posted…that trigger of your arguments death is the word VAIN, and this is because there is nothing vain about Catholic prayers. Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the scripture or the word vain. Here’s a little help:
Code:
vain Listen to the pronunciation of vain\ˈvān\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, empty, futile, from Latin vanus — more at wane
Date:
14th century
1: having no real value : idle , worthless
2: marked by futility or ineffectualness : unsuccessful , useless
3archaic : foolish , silly
4: having or showing undue or excessive pride in one’s appearance or achievements : conceited
Good try, but no sale.
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believers
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You’ll have to go to the Greek.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
battalogeō - vain repetitions,
- to stammer
- to repeat the same things over and over, to use many idle words, to babble, prate. Some suppose the word derived from Battus, a king of Cyrene, who is said to have stuttered; others from Battus, an author of tedious and wordy poems.
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RobHom
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The bolding is my doing, just wanted to fill in what you left out…
First of all, “heathens” don’t have “rosary beads”.
I guess we can all presume that you are intellectually superior to Tertullian?
*Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
**"The Lord’s Prayer “is truly the summary of the whole gospel.” “Since the Lord…after handling over the practice of prayer, said elsewhere, ‘Ask and you will receive,’ and since everyone has petitions which are peculiar to his circumstances, the regular and appropriate prayer (the Lord’s Prayer) is said first, as the foundation of further desires.”
- Tertullian, De orat.
from the Catechism of the Catholic Church; 2761. ***
Maybe this will help you understand the overall import of the scriptures:
**9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. **
I guess by your “standards” Christ Himself was a heathen…and He was just “pulling our leg”, right?
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RobHom
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Gee, why is it that whenever one of you falls flat…you have to pull out some nonsense about “greek” or whatever and bandy it about. If, just if, your claim that the “greek” was really the correct contextual import for interpretation…Then why did not the TRANSLATORS of the greek translate it properly? Hmmm?
By the way… this site: kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon which is Greek owned and operated on the island of Cyprus that translates both modern and Ancient Greek… does not recognize the word you have alleged to mean what it does…sorry.
Sounds like a “mantra”…LOL!! Thanks for the “chuckle”…
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nbtb1348
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The practice of prayng to Mary was, in fact invented by the RCC and has no basis in Scripture. This is true, in spite of anemic attempts to paste proof texts up against the wall, so to speak. You could spend a thousand millenia just beginning to learn the depths of experience in praying to our great Intercessor, the Lord Jesus Christ. He told us to ask anything in His name and it shall be done. He never instructed us to pray to anyone but God, and to do so is not only an affront to Him, but it shows a complete lack of understanding and experience in praying to the Savior. There may be a spirit who would lead you to pray to Mary, but it is not the HOLY Spirit, my friend.The Catholic answer would be “no”, but since that is not the case, its not even a valid question.
For your edification and education, please go to these links and spend some time reading…all the “biblical” justification you could ever desire are on this links:
newadvent.org/cathen/08070a.htm
newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm
newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12fc.htm
newadvent.org/summa/5072.htm
Those are a few to get “justifications” for intercessory prayer, and here is some information about the “Sub Tuum” which is the oldest known prayer to Mary as an intercessor…that was found in the early 20th century that has been verified and dated back to the 3rd century AD …
stteresa-avila.org/praesidium.html
immaculateheartworks.com/subtuum.html
nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sub-tuum-praesidium
maryvictrix.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/knights-of-the-patronage/
If you read closely, you will find that not only Roman Catholics believe in “intercessory prayer”, as many other “rites” do as well.
It does seem however quite clear that Roman Catholics and the other “rites” are the only ones who understand the justifications and purpose of the prayers.
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nbtb1348
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Is God your Father or not? That is the big question or you. If He is, then talk to him like you would talk to your own father. Be real. Do you honestly think God appreciates anything less? Is He YOUR Father? If He is, then reverently come to Him as a child would to their father and praise Him, thank Him, and tell him your requests for others and yourself. He loves that.So , Saying I believe In God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, His Son, and in the Holy Spirit, and saying the Lords Prayer, and saying Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit is vain repetition.
Who’d have guessed?
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Hisalone
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Funny the more I talk to God the more I want to talk to God.Actually, the more I talk to God, the more I want my Rosary.
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pete_29
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It isn’t a question at all, all Catholics talk to God as HE IS OUR FATHER. Be real? You treat God as some petty little 3 year old who can’t understand how much we love Him in our hearts because we’re not shouting Praise God 24 hours a day so that everyone can see what good Christians we are. And since, by your last sentence says, I can tell him my requests for others, how much the better that the Blessed Virgin ans the Saints add their voices to my requests since they are with Him in Heaven.
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pete_29
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That’s exactly what jmcrae said, you just didn’t understand it.
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Callin
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‘First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men… This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior…’ (1 Timothy 2:1, 3)
Clearly, God’s okay with us praying for other people, and okay with intercession. Why would he forbid those already in heaven from doing the same?
I pray to God, but I ask others to pray as well. I am in no way saying that the latter be done instead of the former, but in addition to it.
So what are you doing here?
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