You don't risk going to Hell if you were never born

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Sirach2 said:
Did I say that?

Read my post again. I was critiquing people who readily accept and believe visions from unnamed and unproven sources and repeat them, doing much harm to those who are scrupulous who put their faith in them. The Church does not even accept authentic visionaries’ accounts until very much study and thorough examination has been made.

St. Leonard was far too willing to believe an archdeacon of no repute without further examination. That is a no-no. He probably mentioned the story off the cuff, but naysayers ran with it and reprinted it, since they now have a saint to make it all come true.
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Simple question: simple yes or no.
 
James248 said:
Christ Himself said few will find the narrow way while many will go into the path of destruction.

Some of the posts in this forum would accuse Christ Himself of heresy.

‘Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!’

Matthew 7:13-14
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If they are the absolute truth, I would be willing to wager that there isn’t one person posting on these boards that will be saved.
 
It just occurred to me that the Jehovah’s Witnesses may put some of us to shame. It is their firm belief based on an erroneous interpretation of Revelations that ONLY 144,000 will be saved. Does that throw them into a panic and frenzy of despair? Not at all. They work zealously to insure that they are one of the very few who make it.

Shouldn’t we all do likewise, and not be in turmoil over an isolated passage of scripture? Let’s focus on the many beautiful assurances that are also Jesus’ words - In my Father’s House, there at many mansions, for I go to prepare a place for you.

Is your glass half empty ?

Or half full? 🙂
 
laylow said:
If they are the absolute truth, I would be willing to wager that there isn’t one person posting on these boards that will be saved.
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What could you wager that would be of value after resurrection?
 
laylow said:
I wish I had a decent amount of control over it.
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So have you considered these ideas in the Catholic Catechism?

1734 Freedom makes man responsible for his acts to the extent that they are voluntary. Progress in virtue, knowledge of the good, and ascesis enhance the mastery of the will over its acts.

1735 Imputability and responsibility for an action can be diminished or even nullified by ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, inordinate attachments, and other psychological or social factors.

It may take significant time to gain control.
 
laylow said:
Not much, but my life is pretty much worthless anyway.
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Actually, the LORD’s servants are infinitely of value in his sight.
“I am the servant of the LORD”.
Say that, and see if it does not ring of value in your hearing.

When the servant does anything, it is his Lord who is doing the thing. When the servant of the king hands you a title to a castle, it is the king who is handing you the title.
Meaning that when the servant of the LORD does his doings in service, you are actually seeing the LORD doing something in the world. And His doings are of infinite worth.

And the very intriguing thing is hearing the LORD say, “No longer do I call you ‘servant’, but I call you ‘friend’.”
 
Dear Laylow,

I have the Good Shepherd as my avatar, for John’s chapter 10 has been an especial favorite of mine. Try reading with an open hungry heart the beautiful words of Our Shepherd and meditate on them frequently.
  1. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Pasture is good feeding, and the lamb will find itself loved and cared for beyond words to describe the relationship of love that exists with the Shepherd. Give it a try, and I’ll support you with prayer.
 
I highly doubt there is any god who cares, given the fact of everything, the gods who created suffering must be evil, all over billions of years, different species suffering and crying in pain, several diseases and horrors, such designers must be evil no question, for creating such a thing and doing absolutely nothing to a very negligable thing to stop it. Such suffering in life is very much consistent with the idea of Hell, even if there is no Hell and it’s all myth, but as an idea the same person who created suffering for the innocent wouldn’t be unlikely for him to create suffering for the guilty, if you truly believe in Hell and your child could risk going there, bringing them into existence is a risk you take upon their souls. Surely you won’t risk Hell if you were never born.
 
ANV said:
I highly doubt there is any god who cares, given the fact of everything, the gods who created suffering must be evil, all over billions of years, different species suffering and crying in pain, several diseases and horrors, such designers must be evil no question, for creating such a thing and doing absolutely nothing to a very negligable thing to stop it. Such suffering in life is very much consistent with the idea of Hell, even if there is no Hell and it’s all myth, but as an idea the same person who created suffering for the innocent wouldn’t be unlikely for him to create suffering for the guilty, if you truly believe in Hell and your child could risk going there, bringing them into existence is a risk you take upon their souls. Surely you won’t risk Hell if you were never born.
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You assume that suffering is bad? Man’s good lies in conforming himself to the supreme purpose of creation and evil is in departing from it. God permitting moral evil to exist provides a sphere to manifest of one aspect of His essential justice.
 
ANV said:
I highly doubt there is any god who cares, given the fact of everything, the gods who created suffering must be evil, all over billions of years, different species suffering and crying in pain, several diseases and horrors, such designers must be evil no question, for creating such a thing and doing absolutely nothing to a very negligable thing to stop it. Such suffering in life is very much consistent with the idea of Hell, even if there is no Hell and it’s all myth, but as an idea the same person who created suffering for the innocent wouldn’t be unlikely for him to create suffering for the guilty, if you truly believe in Hell and your child could risk going there, bringing them into existence is a risk you take upon their souls. Surely you won’t risk Hell if you were never born.
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Life is Hell, if you are apart from God. Satan truly controls those who turn away from God.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Life is Hell, if you are apart from God. Satan truly controls those who turn away from God.
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A Gospel example for your comment, of those that willfully choose the devil:

John 8
42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me:
43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
45 But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
 
Better question: why deprive your child of the possibility of heaven by preventing them from being born?
 
meltzerboy said:
I think the gift of life and all its accompanying joys and pleasures, even including its suffering, is well worth the risk.
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There are no joys and pleasures guaranteed. The only thing guaranteed in life is the cross, nothing else is guaranteed.
 
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