Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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Mark121359 said:
This was the sixth post of this thread. Please show me in the previous five posts up to that point where there was a “drive to degrade the OF mass.”
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You obviously haven’t been reading this thread from the beginning. I was replying to a certain suspended user who had been making repeated inflammatory comments against the OF in a few threads that day. His very offensive comments have already been deleted from this thread, so that must be why our replies to him seem strange to you.
 
The article doesn’t bash the OF. Honestly preferring one rite to another, even pointing out where one rite is superior in an esoteric sense, is not ‘bashing’ the other.

If I prefer jasmine tea to lapsang souchong, am I bashing the second, or indeed, all teas but jasmine?

If I go into detail about what I believe makes jasmine ‘top tea’, does that mean I think the others are just too inferior for words???
 
I read all of the five whole previous posts up to that point in this thread prior to yours, and for the life of me, I fail to see any posts that were derogatory towards the O.F. Not one!
 
@Mark121359 Like I said above, his comments have been deleted…they were there originally. It wasn’t the article or the OP…it was the suspended poster’s remarks.

*I’m going to make a note of this on my first post.
**Oops, nevermind…I can’t edit it any more. 😆
 
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Not sure if I am considered young or not, guess it all depends on perspective, lol. I am 41 and the men in the K of C are all considerably older than me. A lot of my friends, because I am single, no children and the type of work I do are in their late 20s to early 30s.

I am all for the Tridentine Mass. I am trting to learn Latin and love the historical aspect of the Catholic Mass. I would love to see more access to the old Tridentine Mass and keep the current for those that appreciate that one. I have found, by asking, a lot of the older people at my Parish dont want to go back to that. I never experienced it, so i want to checkbit out.
 
Love the current Mass but i want to experience the old Mass. Being i am a person who loves history general and history of the Church I want both, lol.

I do agree with you, both are valid and one is not nearly better than the other. One should attend the one they get the most out of, as long as it is an approved liturgy. 😊
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Who cares?

I really don’t have much of an opinion on the EF Mass proper (never attended one), but the fetish for Latin that so many people seem to harbor bewilders me to no end. Now, if people were insisting that the Mass should be performed in Aramaic (Jesus’ native tongue) or Greek (the lingua franca of Antiquity), that would make a lot more sense, since it would actually establish some cultural kinship between modern believers and the first Christians (the majority of whom did not speak Latin). Even so, uniformity does not guarantee solidarity.
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THIS!
Ok, speaking as an orthodox, but this could be applied on the roman catholic mass as well: I attend a russian orthodox parish. Since me and 3 (!) other katechumen started visiting regularly back then, our priest started to translate the liturgy to german - sometimes with much difficulties as there is no “german rite” and sometimes immediately from his mind to his tongue. At easter, the church was not only full of russians, but there were also georgian, arab, turkish, greek, french and egyptian christians. They all read some passages in their language. When *Christ is risen" was shouted out in every language possible, our katechesis teacher said it in latin and only me and him was respindind - he was a former protestant priest and I had only latin mass experience from my dear grandma of pre-VII France.
It was so beautiful to see language doesn´t matter, and if, only in a positive way.
 
Augustinian said:
my neckties are too wide for the 1950’s look.
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You still wear neckties? No kidding! I still have three, I think, in the drawer with my socks, but it must be ten years since I last wore one.
 
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stpurl said:
I prefer jasmine tea to lapsang souchong, am I bashing the second, or indeed, all teas but jasmine?

If I go into detail about what I believe makes jasmine ‘top tea’, does that mean I think the others are just too inferior for words???
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That’s not a good analogy as there are many options other than Jasmine tea.
But when there are only two options then it’s a different situation. Just imagine you are a boy and you only have one brother and someone goes on and on about how your brother got all the good genes to be a great sportsman, intelligent, kind etc and how he is such a superb son of your parents. How would you feel?
That’s quite different if you have 10 other brothers.
 
I have an older sister who definitely is higher on the totem pole but so what? She really is smarter and certainly not the doormat that I am. I can respect her strengths, try to improve my own, and instead of resenting her, make the positive changes that will make me the best person I am. You know, with the best will in the world, we can’t make it that two sisters are ‘perfectly equal’ (or two brothers), but we can engage in a correct attitude and stop fixating on hurt feelings.
 
Oh yeah of course that should be the correct attitude if you are that brother or sister.
However I guess my point was really about whether someone should really do such a thing (overly praising one) knowing that potentially the other person may not have the capacity to have the perfect attitude. You really would would do this in a real life situation? You really would tell your friend’s son that he is so good when his brother is standing right next to him? Saying that he’s got all the good genes? (Is it so surprising that the other brother would think that he’s got the bad genes?)
So we are all human and I’m only asking for a bit of sensitivity. Of course one could still take the view “tough, grow up” but are you sure this is the only way to handle matters?
So regarding the article. So no I can’t fault the article. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think it could be worded in a different way. It didn’t really need so much juxtaposition IMHO.
 
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stpurl said:
who definitely is
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stpurl said:
really is
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The other issue with your point is that can we really say this about the EF as well?

There’s a difference between objective measures and subjective ones.
Whilst intelligence perhaps can be measured objectively. EF vs OF will always be a subjective measure.
 
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You are entitled to think anything you want to think.
All I ask is that the Mass continues to be said in my language.
My Sunday Missal is just the right weight without one page for Latin and the opposite page for English.
 
There are about 17,200 parishes in the US> The last time I went through and counted, there were less than 3% which had an EF. A number had the EF as the parish Mass (in other words, appear to be Ef parishes - SSPX chapels are not counted). They can be identified as they have the EF for weekday Masses also. Others had one Sunday Mass, some with a weekday Mass and some without.

Then we have parishes which have rotating EF Masses - in other words, not every Sunday.

Then there are some which have one or more weekday Masses (usually one) each week (such as Saturday morning). then we go to those which have it every other week or once a month; there was one in Oregon which had an EF once every 6 months.

Not all which have a Sunday Mass have it at what might be called “normal” time, somewhere between 8 a.m. and noon; a number of the Sunday EF Masses are some time in the afternoon. A parish near me has one Sunday at 6:30 a.m.

Interestingly, a priest who was very committed to the EF came out publicly in an article, stating that unless the Mass started to be said regularly more widely, it was in danger of fading away. Anyone interested in actually seeing what parishes have the EF can go to Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei; they seem to be updated regularly and include Canada, Guam and Puerto Rico.

Another comment comes from some research done by CARA (Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate). They indicated that the greatest attendance at Mass weekly, by age group was those over 50; it was better than 50%. The lowest attendance group was the 18 to 29, which if I recall, was about 18%.

So when I see something indicting that youth is going to revive the EF, I just say “Oh”. It is not worth arguing with some people.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Who cares?
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The youth of the Roman Church.
TheAmazingGrace said:
I really don’t have much of an opinion on the EF Mass proper (never attended one), but the fetish for Latin that so many people seem to harbor bewilders me to no end.
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No one “fetishizes” Latin. It is the official language of the Roman Church, and deserves pride of place in the Roman Liturgy.
TheAmazingGrace said:
Now, if people were insisting that the Mass should be performed in Aramaic (Jesus’ native tongue) or Greek (the lingua franca of Antiquity), that would make a lot more sense, since it would actually establish some cultural kinship between modern believers and the first Christians (the majority of whom did not speak Latin).
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Several of the Eastern Rites have their liturgies in these languages. The Roman Church (should) have their liturgies in Latin. Both are beautiful traditions.
 
semper_catholicus said:
The youth of the Roman Church.
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I’m 23, so I think I still fall in the “youth” category. I don’t care, and neither do most of the other Catholic youths I know.
semper_catholicus said:
The Roman Church (should) have their liturgies in Latin.
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If you want to attend a Latin Mass, no one’s stopping you, but I can’t connect emotionally with Latin in the way I do with English. It’s okay to have a preference, but claims of liturgical superiority get quite tedious for people who don’t have the time or ability to study Latin.
 
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