Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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I can agree to that. You are against novelty ties, which were declared an anethma by Pius IX, and the rest is left to prudential judgement.
 
I do not oppose Vatican 2 menswear reforms. I merely prefer the traditional style. 🙂
 
I am betting the blouse had a “Peter Pan*” style collar. I think my aunt had the second outfit! 😉
 
I’m getting a revision in my memory but you are absolutely correct about the Peter Pan collar, only that the blouse was solid white, with a form fitting front buttoned v-neck vest that matched the skirt. The belt cinched ever so tightly.
 
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If by ‘bonnet’ you mean the Little House on the Prairie type, that came into vogue more in the 1840s onward, but for most women, especially the poorer and immigrant women, the caps (not bonnets and not hats) and veils that had been the normal headdress for women in Europe until around the early 1800s were still used.

By the time that you’d start seeing pictures of “Catholic Mass” just prior to the great change, and depending on whether you were in a large or small city, North, South, East, Midwest, or West, you might see quite a lot of veils in a very ‘ethnic’ parish, and if you were looking at an affluent parish in a more Protestant area, you’d see more hats as the women in the parish were ‘assimilating’ with their Protestant sisters. But arguing as though veils had never been used or had been ditched for centuries is just wrong.
 
And while I remember my white mantilla (the doily kind) to be worn alternating with the plaid beanie hat during school days, I remember as an 8 year old wearing my Easter dress of pale blue dotted Swiss organdy with a wide self-belt and with a pale blue ‘boater’ hat with a blue rose. . .

Also as a 7 year old wearing an adorable pale yellow dress printed with red double cherries, and wearing a red hat with detachable plastic cherries. . .

and carrying a see-through plastic purse with butterflies. . .
White socks of course, and black Mary Janes because Easter was well before Memorial Day and one did not wear white shoes before same. . .
 
Can we keep on topic here guys? @Canvas, @AlbertDerGrosse, @Mtatum1958

Shirts! ties! colours! patterns! I liked all your posts. How is that even possible? I found none more true nor more edifying than another. All that matters is the depth of the man inside.

By the way, I can tie a bow tie with the best of ‘em. As a woman, I would never wear one myself of course.
 
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I loved that purse! Tragically lost in a theft years later. Oh well it lives in my heart along with my little Tigger stuffed cat who was taken as well, AND my original Barbie doll with the black bubble hair do. I was actually surprised that was taken as my older sister had decided to give her a makeover and had inked her face dark blue with permanent ink.
 
Ok then. In reality most remain in wonder at any Mass without really knowing what’s going on and I won’t pretend to know better than the Church has for most of Her existence.
 
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The music is part of the sacrifice
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No it is not. The sacrifice, just like when it happened, had no music. And, the Mass, being a representation (re-Presentation not Representation) has no need for music, whether Latin Gregorian Chant or guitars.

The sacrifice stands outside of a need for music.

While there is biblical evidence for the host of angels singing at the announcement of the birth of Christ, there is no such evidence for music at the death or even resurrection of our Lord.
 
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By the way, I can tie a bow tie with the best of ‘em. As a woman, I would never wear one myself of course.
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Women have a distinct advantage in tying a bow tie: namely facing it rather than doing it under their chin.

The first time another professor, who regularly wore one, challenged me to try and tie it, I did it perfectly (much to his amazement). Since that time, I haven’t had one come out quite right (and with the KofC dropping the regalia, I suppose I’ll only have a few more times [to start with, three more weddings . . .] that I wear my tux before someone else ties it for my funeral . . .)

As for the knots on an eastern tie, a half-windsor is like demanding the Mass be celebrated in colloquial italian . . . you may as well just use a salesman’s knot!

An adequate tie clip is very hard to find in this day and age . . .

But property dressed, a man should be wearing a western tie and proper boots!

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I disagree.
The Mass is much more meaningful when the words are understood.
 
Max, though I appreciate you as a Catholic brother, I respectfully disagree.
I like the Mass in my language…English.
I do have a Sunday Missal, I used as a child with the Latin on one side and English translation next to it.
Fortunately, the Missal I used at Mass today was mostly all in English.
 
Well shucks, the Church sure did make a mistake letting the EF be the main Mass in the Roman rite for 500 years. Not everyone understood it then just like not everyone understands it today. :roll_eyes:
 
Both are valid, both are useful, both are good and meaningful and grace-giving. Attend the one you prefer and live in peace! 😉
 
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