Your opinion on homosexual relationships

[pensmama87]

In my mind, it’s up to each person to decide what’s morally acceptable for themselves. But I would certainly come to your defense if you were engaged in something that didn’t impact anyone else and you started getting grief for it - even if it was a choice I couldn’t or wouldn’t make for myself.

MYOB is a lost art form, in my opinion.

I think in practice, yes. I have no interest in knocking down people’s doors and nosing into their business.

But that’s very different from saying, “I think this behavior is morally wrong and people shouldn’t do it because x, y, z.”

 

[goout]

Well “Out and Proud” is become of being marginalized for so long. Think about how in some states here in the US sodomy was illegal or still is illegal. How insane is that. Being out and proud means not hiding in the closet. To say I am LGBTQA+ and not afraid to say it. As for bathroom bills, well that is on the conservative end of paranoia.

Ok, congratulations on your overtness.

Can we comment/discuss on your initiative, or would that be prying into your private life?

 

[NM505StKate]

Because the matter isn’t private. You’ve (generally speaking) made it public and “in the face”.
Because here we are with a thread started on the subject.
And over-representation in entertainment and news media.

And opinions erroneous to Catholic moral theology.

And you think Catholics are prying into people’s bedrooms?
Take a breath and look around.

Well seeing how we are discussing an act between two (or more) consenting adults yes I would say prying is the word to use. Oh and there is not enough representation in the news or entertainment. More is needed and not as camp but as positive role models.

 

[pensmama87]

Consent is an important matter. I would say what kind of behavior? If it is self harmful then no. Like cutting or burning oneself. If something like masturbation then go right on ahead. An ye harm none Do what ye will. Or “Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.”

Ah, but Catholics would say it IS harmful to you.

Every sin we commit we rationalize to ourselves that it’s fine. Sexual sins are remarkably mundane in this way.

 

[NM505StKate]

Ok, congratulations on your overtness.

Can we comment/discuss on your initiative, or would that be prying into your private life?

What initiative? I support LGBTQA+ people and do my best to be a shoulder for any and all.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I assumed basic theology was assumed. And of course hate the sin love the sinner is implied. But let’s explore for a second the parameters the LGBT movement has framed. They insist that not just an orientation but rather THE defining characteristic of their being. They liken it to race, in the Ssm debate and in the idea of gender identity. They increasingly make it harder to separate the disorder from the being.

Of course they aren’t right and defining oneself by a sinful will is not ever going to be a good thing, but in public discourse they are the ones driving and shaping the language of the debate. We sure aren’t.

I would argue that my sexual orientation is much more central to my life than my race, though depending on individual circumstances, that could be different for others.

My sexual orientation is what my entire family hinges on. If I take that out, I’m left with superficial labels like ‘lawyer’, ‘volunteer’, etc. Even as a single person, my identity largely rested on the idea that I wanted to find the right person and be a wife and mom someday. That’s why gay people get so offended - they don’t define themselves by their sexual preferences, but their lives are defined by it, just as being straight directly resulted in you being a husband and father.

If you want to go this route, you’ll have to convince gay people to forgo relationships all together first, and on a large scale, that’s just not going to happen.

 

[Tagetes]

What initiative? I support LGBTQA+ people and do my best to be a shoulder for any and all.

 

[goout]

Well seeing how we are discussing an act between two (or more) consenting adults yes I would say prying is the word to use. Oh and there is not enough representation in the news or entertainment. More is needed and not as camp but as positive role models.

But when someone discusses it with you, they are guilty of prying?

So let me get this straight (no pun intended)…
You are allowed to do whatever you want, and have whatever opinion of your choosing, without comment from anyone else, under penalty of invasion of privacy.

Is that right? (ooops, am I prying by asking a question?)

 

[edwest2]

Well seeing how we are discussing an act between two (or more) consenting adults yes I would say prying is the word to use. Oh and there is not enough representation in the news or entertainment. More is needed and not as camp but as positive role models.

Why? I don’t concern myself with any thoughts about if the person standing in line next to me is LGBTQ or not. It’s a non-issue. When I speak to people I’ve just met, I never ask about their private activities. Just like I would never ask a heterosexual couple I know about their private activities.

I work in the media and I know it is awash in LGBTQ noise 24/7.

Ed

 

[NM505StKate]

Why? I don’t concern myself with any thoughts about if the person standing in line next to me is LGBTQ or not. It’s a non-issue. When I speak to people I’ve just met, I never ask about their private activities. Just like I would never ask a heterosexual couple I know about their private activities.

I work in the media and I know it is awash in LGBTQ noise 24/7.

Ed

Okay cool. Please name me five positive LGBTQA+ people in the media at the moment that any LGBTQA+ youth can have as a role model, please.

 

[NM505StKate]

But when someone discusses it with you, they are guilty of prying?

So let me get this straight (no pun intended)…
You are allowed to do whatever you want, and have whatever opinion of your choosing, without comment from anyone else, under penalty of invasion of privacy.

Is that right? (ooops, am I prying by asking a question?)

I never said that. A person can ask anything. By prying I mean telling people what they can or cannot do in their bedrooms. Like say if two men can share a bed together.

 

[goout]

Okay cool. Please name me five positive LGBTQA+ people in the media at the moment that any LGBTQA+ youth can have as a role model, please.

How could a person who promotes deceptions about the nature of human beings be a positive role model?

Would you accept Donald Trump as a role model for the treatment of women?
How about Elvis as a role model for temperance and healthy life style?

 

[goout]

I never said that. A person can ask anything. By prying I mean telling people what they can or cannot do in their bedrooms. Like say if two men can share a bed together.

Did I claim to be your local police chief?
No
You are decrying the fact that people speak about Catholic morality on a Catholic message board, on a thread that asks for opinions about homosexuality.


not sure what you are expecting, but calling it invasion of privacy is a little silly.

 

[NM505StKate]

How could a person who promotes deceptions about the nature of human beings be a positive role model?

Would you accept Donald Trump as a role model for the treatment of women?
How about Elvis as a role model for temperance and healthy life style?

Please do not dodge the question. Also that is good that the person next to you could or couldn’t be LGBTQA+.

 

[goout]

Please do not dodge the question. Also that is good that the person next to you could or couldn’t be LGBTQA+.

I didn’t dodge your question.
I answered it specifically and directly.
Again:
How could a person who promotes deceptions about the nature of human beings be a positive role model?

 

[NM505StKate]

I didn’t dodge your question.
I answered it specifically and directly.
Again:
How could a person who promotes deceptions about the nature of human beings be a positive role model?

You answered a question with a question. I’m confused here. You said you worked in media, I asked if you can provide five LGBTQA+ people whom are positive role models. You said that the media and entertainment is “awash” with LGBTQA+ and I am not seeing it.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I would argue that my sexual orientation is much more central to my life than my race, though depending on individual circumstances, that could be different for others.

My sexual orientation is what my entire family hinges on. If I take that out, I’m left with superficial labels like ‘lawyer’, ‘volunteer’, etc. Even as a single person, my identity largely rested on the idea that I wanted to find the right person and be a wife and mom someday. That’s why gay people get so offended - they don’t define themselves by their sexual preferences, but their lives are defined by it, just as being straight directly resulted in you being a husband and father.

If you want to go this route, you’ll have to convince gay people to forgo relationships all together first, and on a large scale, that’s just not going to happen.

I agree with you which is why the mantra of hate the sin love the sinner has failed the church in this regard. At some point it boils down to a disordered person, not just disordered actions or inclinations. And the church has not found a way to discuss that productively. As evidenced on this thread people believe LGBT issues to be as natural as breathing. Until we can plainly state why that isn’t true, we accompany our brothers and sisters in sin, not in redemption.

 

[AClaire11]

My opinion is that what other adults do in their bedrooms of their own free will is none of my business and is not a topic of polite conversation. And they’re not lepers, for crying out loud.

 

[edwest2]

You answered a question with a question. I’m confused here. You said you worked in media, I asked if you can provide five LGBTQA+ people whom are positive role models. You said that the media and entertainment is “awash” with LGBTQA+ and I am not seeing it.

I’m the person who works in the media. Since this is a Catholic forum and since Catholics are taught that He created them male and female, where did all this strange biology come from? First it was LGBT, then LGBTQ, then LGBTQA+? Who comes up with this stuff?

Positive role models who are LGBT? I can’t answer that but I’m sure LGBT publications can. I’m not allowed to link to any.

Ed

 

[NM505StKate]

I agree with you which is why the mantra of hate the sin love the sinner has failed the church in this regard. At some point it boils down to a disordered person, not just disordered actions or inclinations. And the church has not found a way to discuss that productively. As evidenced on this thread people believe LGBT issues to be as natural as breathing. Until we can plainly state why that isn’t true, we accompany our brothers and sisters in sin, not in redemption.

How is it not true? Please state it plainly,

My opinion is that what other adults do in their bedrooms of their own free will is none of my business and is not a topic of polite conversation. And they’re not lepers, for crying out loud.

I agree with Claire.