your opinions on gays

[Renton405]

How do christians deal with being called a bigot just because they agree that homosexiality is a sin?

Ive been called a bigot, a hate monger, predjudice just because I believe homosexuality is a grave sin. And then they go through this pre-trained theology to go through the bible and claim that is actaully says NOTHING about homosexulity. Every verse I gave to them that talked that homosexuality was deemed a “mistranslation”…yet when I looked in the official greek dictionary it did list that those words meant things like “sodomite” and men who defile themselves with other men…

 

[Renton405]

So this applies to gay behavior? It doesn’t apply to the condition. Stop the lies.

goofyjim and tiggeriffic. Please tell me you don’t take holy communion…

Relax folks. I can take untruths and insults. It wouldn’t be the first time it has happened on these forums. I won’t mention names but I do know of two others in the past who have misinterpreted things and said that even those with ssa cannot live chastely until they are osa. How sad that they disagree with the Church on the right wing side of things. This is why I am cautious of both the right wing and the left wing and just stay in the middle.

Untruths? So you consider the teachings by the church untruths? The church says homosexuality is gravely disordered. Either get on or off the boat. But don’t dilly dally around calling other people liars just because they follow the church and the bible. Im so sick of you whiney liberals always calling other people liars and bigots just because they are orthodox christians. Get off your high horse…Theres gonna be a day when your “bigot” “predjudice” sign isn’t gonna work anymore…

 

[Larry1700]

I’m reading Genome, by Matt Ridley. I’m convinced that some are gay because of a genetic difference in a small percentage of the population. However, I also believe that many others are saying they’re gay just because it’s currently the cool thing to do.

Regarding the genetic difference, I do not believe that it entitles them to practice homosexuality. As with most other genetic abnormalities (Prader-Willi syndrome, etc.) it is something that must be faced and dealt with as well as possible.

Some genetic abnormalities are now being linked to common diseases, as mundane as allergies or as serious as cancer. The medical community certainly doesn’t simply “accept” those diseases. On the contrary, it tries to cure them.

Same with homosexuality (the true homosexuals – not those who simply “choose” to be). We don’t hate asthmatics or cancer victims. We love them, feel compassion for them, pray for them and try to help them.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

My opinion on gays? Which particular gay?

Only the one that is a Sodomite.

 

[Pier]

As Catholics we know that the Church teaches what Christ commands us to do in order to follow the Father’s plan for all who are called, & hopefully listen…

We all have our temptations & crosses to bear, & Christ says we must pick them up every day in order to follow Him.

 

[goofyjim]

goofyjim and tiggeriffic. Please tell me you don’t take holy communion…

Untruths? So you consider the teachings by the church untruths? The church says homosexuality is gravely disordered. Either get on or off the boat. But don’t dilly dally around calling other people liars just because they follow the church and the bible. Im so sick of you whiney liberals always calling other people liars and bigots just because they are orthodox christians. Get off your high horse…Theres gonna be a day when your “bigot” “predjudice” sign isn’t gonna work anymore…

I do not engage in the behavior. But I live with the orientation and receive Communion thank you very much. It is a lie to say the orientation is a sin. I am not on a high horse but you might consider taking your own advice.

 

[Pier]

**As Catholics we know that the Church teaches what Christ commands us to do in order to follow the Father’s plan for all who are called, & hopefully listen…

We all have our temptations & crosses to bear, & Christ says we must pick them up every day in order to follow Him.**

 

[goofyjim]

I’m reading Genome, by Matt Ridley. I’m convinced that some are gay because of a genetic difference in a small percentage of the population. However, I also believe that many others are saying they’re gay just because it’s currently the cool thing to do.

Regarding the genetic difference, I do not believe that it entitles them to practice homosexuality. As with most other genetic abnormalities (Prader-Willi syndrome, etc.) it is something that must be faced and dealt with as well as possible.

Some genetic abnormalities are now being linked to common diseases, as mundane as allergies or as serious as cancer. The medical community certainly doesn’t simply “accept” those diseases. On the contrary, it tries to cure them.

Same with homosexuality (the true homosexuals – not those who simply “choose” to be). We don’t hate asthmatics or cancer victims. We love them, feel compassion for them, pray for them and try to help them.

The best way to help them is to encourage abstinence, not requiring them to change.

 

[goofyjim]

You know the saying. “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”.

Gen 1:27-28 “God created Man in his image; in the Devine image he created him. Male and female he created them. God blessed them saying “be fertile and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it””.

Catholics must be Married to have sex, and Marriage itself is between one man and one woman.

Other parts of the Bible deal with that.

I pray for Gays but I don’t trust them around children and I especially oppose the political agenda of Homosexual groups.

Fortunately you are in a minority. My family trusts me around my nephews and nieces. And other friends don’t forbid me to be around children. I have never been tempted once to do anything to a child so what is there not to trust?

 

[goofyjim]

How do christians deal with being called a bigot just because they agree that homosexiality is a sin?

Ive been called a bigot, a hate monger, predjudice just because I believe homosexuality is a grave sin. And then they go through this pre-trained theology to go through the bible and claim that is actaully says NOTHING about homosexulity. Every verse I gave to them that talked that homosexuality was deemed a “mistranslation”…yet when I looked in the official greek dictionary it did list that those words meant things like “sodomite” and men who defile themselves with other men…

I have never used the word bigot. I have simply stated that the condition of homosexuality by itself is not a sin. There is such a concept as a chaste homosexual person.

 

[Newbie2]

Fortunately you are in a minority. My family trusts me around my nephews and nieces. And other friends don’t forbid me to be around children. I have never been tempted once to do anything to a child so what is there not to trust?

Seems pedophilia and homosexuality are linked, whether in reality and/or in some poster’s mind. I don’t think there’s evidence that all homosexuals are pedophiles; certainly some are, but so are heterosexuals. Is it fair to paint too broadly with the pedophile brush?

 

[goofyjim]

Seems pedophilia and homosexuality are linked, whether in reality and/or in some poster’s mind. I don’t think there’s evidence that all homosexuals are pedophiles; certainly some are, but so are heterosexuals. Is it fair to paint too broadly with the pedophile brush?

More in some poster’s mind than in reality.

 

[agangbern]

I have never used the word bigot. I have simply stated that the condition of homosexuality by itself is not a sin. There is such a concept as a chaste homosexual person.

It is not true that homosexuality is not a sin. And that there is such a thing as “chaste homosexual”. Yes, they are called to chastity. But being “called to chastity” is not the same as “chaste homosexual”. When a homosexual shall have succeeded in becoming chaste, then he could no longer be called a homosexual. He becomes a real man.

 

[goofyjim]

It is not true that homosexuality is not a sin. And that there is such a thing as “chaste homosexual”. Yes, they are called to chastity. But being “called to chastity” is not the same as “chaste homosexual”.

The condition is not a sin. I will not argue the point anymore because I know I am right.

 

[goofyjim]

The state of homosexuality is no more sinful than the state of heterosexuality. Neither one implies that the person is in a constant state of lust or committing the acts, which are necessary for sin to be present. One can be chaste no matter what their sexual orientation may be.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Anyone who has such an orientation should pray to be delivered from it.

Not to do so is allowing oneself to be comfortable in that orientation. That is a dereliction.

 

[goofyjim]

Anyone who has such an orientation should pray to be delivered from it.

Not to do so is allowing oneself to be comfortable in that orientation. That is a dereliction.

Where do you get these ideas? The orientation is not an abomination only the actual carrying through of it is. You right wing fanatics are driving me crazy. I have not sinned in this regard and am comfrotable with myself as I am.

 

[agangbern]

Disordered sexual desire is always a sin because it is lust. That is homosexuality. It is not an ordinary state, but a disordered sexual desire. Others try to downplay the truth by calling it simply as SSA or orientation. The naked truth is simply painted flowery.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Disordered sexual desire is always a sin because it is lust. That is homosexuality. It is not an ordinary state, but a disordered sexual desire. Others try to downplay the truth by calling it simply as SSA or orientation.

gave me a new thought.

Now, would the promotion of homosexuality be a mission of Christianity? Would it be in conformity with scripture?

There is a gay agenda. It has pervaded in grade school even to children in the first or second grades. This is UNHOLY and is NOT of God. The promoters of this deviational proclivity is a “child molestation” in that it first attempts to control children’s innocence as early as that.

It is a drive towards making deviational proclivity a “normal” part of a society.

So, could a “Saint” be made from any of the promoters of the above?

 

[Bennie_P]

I’m reading Genome, by Matt Ridley. I’m convinced that some are gay because of a genetic difference in a small percentage of the population. However, I also believe that many others are saying they’re gay just because it’s currently the cool thing to do.

Regarding the genetic difference, I do not believe that it entitles them to practice homosexuality. As with most other genetic abnormalities (Prader-Willi syndrome, etc.) it is something that must be faced and dealt with as well as possible.

Some genetic abnormalities are now being linked to common diseases, as mundane as allergies or as serious as cancer. The medical community certainly doesn’t simply “accept” those diseases. On the contrary, it tries to cure them.

Same with homosexuality (the true homosexuals – not those who simply “choose” to be). We don’t hate asthmatics or cancer victims. We love them, feel compassion for them, pray for them and try to help them.

Most “main stream” gay activists no longer claim that homosexuality is genetic, but a choice. And they base their arguments for acceptance on equal rights and acceptance on personal choice and freedom, not the “I was born that way” excuse or argument. For they see if it is genetic it takes the argument back to homosexuality is a disease and/or a genetic disorder which has it own mark or stigmatism of being abnormal. But of course depending with whom they (gay activist/apologist) are arguing with, they switch easily back and forth. Such as to oppose ministries and counseling services offered to help those that want to leave the disordered and unhealthy lifestyle, then they (gay activist/apologist) turn the arguments back to the idea that change is not possible. But with all the arguments they always try to force on to the general public they (homosexuals) are victims and deny that they as a group could ever victimize others. Such as in depicting themselves as a class of people singled out by the Nazis to be persecuted, yet not admitting it was the Nazi “gay” leadership that was doing the persecuting of their own kind.
They (gay activist/apologist) try to invoke compassion from Christians, but on their terms of acceptance of the behavior and rejection of Church teachings concerning its disordered nature. Science doesn’t support their arguments; morality doesn’t support their arguments, only force will support their arguments, just as in a jail house rape. Individually we must give compassion and understanding to those that struggle with SSA and gently instruct them with the word and love of God and the Church teachings. Giving support and not personal condemnation for all those that struggle with any shortcomings as they (any sinner for we all are) attempt, like all of us should, to live and grow in Christ. But politically IMHO, we need to stand strong, hold tight to Church teachings and not waver from the truth.