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Hardly.

Heterosexual sex is the right thing as far as the human anatomy goes (aka Gods design). However, as the place of sex is within marriage it is a sin to have sex outside of the boundary. So yes it is a serious sin, but it does not violate the human body as does homosexual sex.

There is nothing right about homosexual intercourse. It is an abomination and a demonic-like abuse of the human body. As sodomites can never truly love or marry, they will always be fornicating.

Heterosexual fornication is one sin, homosexual fornication is two separate sins. Homosexual sex is mutilating ones body.
I really don’t want to get into particulars RomanCrusader because this is a family show, but the acts that homosexuals perform are considered acceptable if a married man and woman perform them with each other, as long as they are only part of (i.e. leading up to) the unitive and procreative act.

Therefore, I don’t think that homosexual sex acts themselves can be considered “mutilating ones body” or a “demonic-like abuse of the human body.”
 
I really don’t want to get into particulars RomanCrusader because this is a family show, but the acts that homosexuals perform are considered acceptable if a married man and woman perform them with each other, as long as they are only part of (i.e. leading up to) the unitive and procreative act.

Therefore, I don’t think that homosexual sex acts themselves can be considered “mutilating ones body” or a “demonic-like abuse of the human body.”
When a man and women perform those acts on each other, it is still a man and women.

When sodomites perform them on each other, it is entirely different and demonic indeed. Don’t let our politically correct society get into your head my friend. Homosexual acts and “relationships” are not acceptable in any form!
 
You are missing the point. The only two classifications of sins are venial and mortal. Fornication is a mortal sin whether it be homosexual or heterosexual so to say one is worse than the other is just plain stupid theology.
I would like to be sure something isn’t getting get lost here. Some grave sins are graver than others. Here is the CCC to support this:
1858 …The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
 
I am totally indifferent. I would advise them against multiple partners or any other such risky behavior but do not care who they find attractive, sexual or otherwise.
Actually, when people have premarital sex, they are sleeping with whoever their partner had previously slept with (from a disease or potential disease standpoint) so, if you sleep with someone who has had multiple partners, then you become potentially exposed to all of the diseases of the prior partners. This is true for hetero/homo sexual relatoinships.

That being said, I think that God loves us all…He created us all. God doesn’t want us to sin–because He wants the best for us. Following a homosexual lifestyle isn’t the ‘best’ for someone. If someone is gay, yes, they can lead a happy life–but they will never be living the ‘best’ life God has to offer. AND THAT IS TRUE FOR ALL OF US WHO SIN. I cannot experience God’s best when I’m in sin.

That’s how I feel about it pretty much. I have had gay friends, and I have one to this day…the lifestyle doesn’t bother me, viewing it as two people in love. But, I feel badly for anyone who is lost in sin–because they are not seeing God’s best in his/her life.

Just my $.02
 
When a man and women perform those acts on each other, it is still a man and women.

When sodomites perform them on each other, it is entirely different and demonic indeed. Don’t let our politically correct society get into your head my friend. Homosexual acts and “relationships” are not acceptable in any form!
Right. Homosexual acts are a mortal sin, but you said the acts are bodily mutilation. If they are permissable between a man and a woman, that can not be so. It has nothing to do with political correctness…just logic.
 
Right. Homosexual acts are a mortal sin, but you said the acts are bodily mutilation. If they are permissable between a man and a woman, that can not be so. It has nothing to do with political correctness…just logic.
Two men having intercourse is bodily mutilation though. It is very different from a man and women engaged in the same act.
 
Two men having intercourse is bodily mutilation though. It is very different from a man and women engaged in the same act.
unless they are not married, and it can be viewed the same way. Sin is sin–whether it’s a man and woman having premarital sex, or two men having sex…it’s sinful to God.
 
Thank you for bring the bigger issue into light. Gay people are going to hell, unless they are celibate, right?
That was actually me who stated that, but you get that 🙂

The “bigger issue” is actually that having sex outside of marriage will lead you to one place, regardless of who it is with.

Of course this means that since the church will not recignize homosexual marriage, homosexual sex will lead you to the number machine where you will have to wait for yours to be called.

But it also means that having sex with someone who is not your spouse will lead you towards the same situation, although I think that this action is worse.

And having sex when you are not married also has the same ending.

I really dont think that there is any reason to try and make something appear more “evil” than what it is, thats really just being pedantic.
 
Is homosexual “sex” really sex? How is it possible? It’s like a quarterback who throws his helmet into the end zone to his receiver and calling it a “touchdown.”
 
Is homosexual “sex” really sex? How is it possible? It’s like a quarterback who throws his helmet into the end zone to his receiver and calling it a “touchdown.”
Well, as has been pointed out, the same mechanisms can be and are employed between a man and a woman and are considered sexual acts. Certainly meets one of the definitions of sexual intercourse as given by Merriam Webster online.

Basically it comes down to the fact that there is really only one particular form of sexual behavior that I can think of which can occur between man and a woman but cannot occur between a man and a man (a few additional ones that cannot occur between a woman and a woman, unless one employs assistive devices) simply based on anatomy—there is really only one structure involved that the man lacks. If we call all those various acts “sex” when occurring between a man and a woman (and we do), it is a bit disingenuous to try to say that those exact same acts are not “sex” when occurring between two people of the same gender.

In short, yes, it is “sex”.

Now the question of whether those acts meet with the approval of the Church as licit sexual activity if they are not followed up immediately by that specific act that is only possible between men and women is another topic altogther. I think we have a fairly good understanding that they are not so approved, whether performed by those of the same sex or opposite sexes.
 
Hardly.

Heterosexual sex is the right thing as far as the human anatomy goes (aka Gods design). However, as the place of sex is within marriage it is a sin to have sex outside of the boundary. So yes it is a serious sin, but it does not violate the human body as does homosexual sex.

There is nothing right about homosexual intercourse. It is an abomination and a demonic-like abuse of the human body. As sodomites can never truly love or marry, they will always be fornicating.

Heterosexual fornication is one sin, homosexual fornication is two separate sins. Homosexual sex is mutilating ones body.
But they are both mortal sins. Therefore equally damaging if unrepented and equally forgivable if one repents.
 
I would like to be sure something isn’t getting get lost here. Some grave sins are graver than others. Here is the CCC to support this:
Yet a mortal sin is a mortal sin. And it can either be repented of or not be repented of. If a previous homosexual repents of his acts he has a chance to go to heaven. If a heterosexually fornicating couple does not repent before death they will go to hell. This is not like well all the heterosexuals will go to heaven despite their sins but the homosexuals regardless of repentance will go to hell.
 
Yet a mortal sin is a mortal sin. And it can either be repented of or not be repented of. If a previous homosexual repents of his acts he has a chance to go to heaven. If a heterosexually fornicating couple does not repent before death they will go to hell. This is not like well all the heterosexuals will go to heaven despite their sins but the homosexuals regardless of repentance will go to hell.
Agreed. It doesn’t matter which mortal sin you did, they all function the same way concerning heaven and hell and repentance, etc. Also, it doesn’t matter if you did 1 or 300 mortal sins, one good confession wipes them out. That’s one of the really nice things about it, no matter how far you are away, as soon as you turn around, there you can see the Father, glad to have you back. (You know, prodigal son a long way off, etc…)
 
It is a useful word. I used to just ask…“is that guy gay or just European?” 😛 (My apologies to my European friends, but there are a lot of metrosexuals in Europe. 😉 )

Seriously though, not all gay men are a) effiminate or b) stylish.
They seem to be either “butch” in nature or “femme” in nature. In my observations.
Concerning one “gay" couple I know, the “butch” I knew for close to a year before I knew for sure he was “gay”. He was an employee of mine back when I was in retail management and I had to correct him often for making derogatory remarks about our regular “gay” customers and the other “gay” employees. A few weeks after this one “femme” employee left the store for a better job he out-ed the “butch” employee by announcing how the two were looking for a house together and was showing off a ring he was going to give “butch” for Christmas. Working retail in a mall is like being in soap opera. :cool: :rolleyes:

I think statisitically men of white european origin are per capita over represented in the “gay” communty. For many years I thought Europeans were required to be ‘gay’ - just kidding:rolleyes: with the second sentence that is.
 
I really don’t want to get into particulars RomanCrusader because this is a family show, but the acts that homosexuals perform are considered acceptable if a married man and woman perform them with each other, as long as they are only part of (i.e. leading up to) the unitive and procreative act.
I think there is a mistake here. The word “homosexual” above should have been “heterosexual”. Am I right, rlg?
 
I would like to be sure something isn’t getting get lost here. Some grave sins are graver than others. Here is the CCC to support this:
1858 …The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
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I agree with you Pug. But I need an enlightenment about something. If there are two kinds of sins: mortal and venial, and mortal sin is also forgivable when the sinner confesses his sins, what do we call that sin mentioned by Jesus in Mathew 12:32 which is not forgivable “either in this world or in the world to come.”?
 
I agree with you Pug. But I need an enlightenment about something. If there are two kinds of sins: mortal and venial, and mortal sin is also forgivable when the sinner confesses his sins, what do we call that sin mentioned by Jesus in Mathew 12:32 which is not forgivable “either in this world or in the world to come.”?
I’ve never read anywhere that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit had anything to do with sexual sin. Now, if a person has reached the level of existence where they would blaspheme the Holy Spirit, I can believe that person would have a much lower tolerance for committing any other kind of mortal sin.

Sister taught us that we should always be on guard against committing ANY sin, venial or mortal, because it is a slippery slope. Committing one sin makes it easier to commit another and another.
 
I’ve never read anywhere that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit had anything to do with sexual sin. Now, if a person has reached the level of existence where they would blaspheme the Holy Spirit, I can believe that person would have a much lower tolerance for committing any other kind of mortal sin.

Sister taught us that we should always be on guard against committing ANY sin, venial or mortal, because it is a slippery slope. Committing one sin makes it easier to commit another and another.
So, is there a name to that kind of sin mentioned by Jesus in Mathew 12:32?
 
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