your opinions on gays

[goofyjim]

I love gays. I love the idea of everyone being happy no matter who or what they are.

 

[mercygate]

I love gays. I love the idea of everyone being happy no matter who or what they are.

This is a beautiful thought, but most Christians would say that true happiness comes from true goodness, and true goodness is Christ alone. Coming to Him with our whole heart often requires turning away from things that keep us from Him. Often the things we turn away from are actual goods in themselves.

Those who are called to celibacy, for example, turn away from marriage or from gay liaisons. In Christian life, if it isn’t one thing, it’s another. Nobody gets a free pass. The cross is the only gate. And the Cross is custom-tailored for each shoulder.

 

[urban-hermit]

Let history confirm the ban on gay marriages. Whenever it was sanctioned that country fell and collasped from within. Check the sad history of all such cultures

That’s a good point. What are the historic society-enhancing benefits of homosexuality?

Discuss.

 

[Elric]

I love gays. I love the idea of everyone being happy no matter who or what they are.

I guess its better to be gay than miserable all the time.

 

[dolphinlove]

What about when they *flaunt *their sin? (Like the Gay Mardi Gras?)

Oh gosh no, that is wrong.
I dont like it when they display themselves in public like that.
Only time i would go to a mardi gras is to help evangelize

 

[KarenNC]

That’s a good point. What are the historic society-enhancing benefits of homosexuality?

Discuss.

Well, I’m still waiting for jailbelle to provide a list of the specific cultures that she (I presume) meant in the original comment. Only then can we move on to discussing homosexuality in the context of those cultures in any meaningful way.

 

[Elric]

Well, I’m still waiting for jailbelle to provide a list of the specific cultures that she (I presume) meant in the original comment. Only then can we move on to discussing homosexuality in the context of those cultures in any meaningful way.

I guess that you could start by looking at certain city-states from ancient Greece. There was no “gay marriage” as such, but in city-states like Athens homosexuality was accepted (or in some cases expected).

It kind of worked like a mentorship/aprenticeship system which every city-state used, but some city-states forbade intercourse between the mentor and the student. Sparta used it to strengthen the bond between soldiers, while other places used it in non-military fields (like the arts, commerce, carpentry ect).

I think that Rome had a similar system.

 

[Bennie_P]

The same conditions heterosexuals spread?

So another person’s fallen state is justification for making wrong choices. By the way, If you do the research you will find it was in the “gay community” in which aids first broke out. It was first called the “gay” cancer by the medical community. Unfortunately many people fall in to harmful promiscuity, but that doesn’t give one a solid foundation to justify one’s own behavior.

For example, would you think Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic have a good defense and justification for their behaviors by sighting the behaviors of Muhamed Talat Pasha, Ismael Enver Pasha, and Ahmed Jamal Pasha? Confused Google it.

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[LSK]

Having known several gay people over the years, I think it’s how they are “wired.” I don’t think they can help their SSA. What they can help is whether they choose to act on their SSA, or decide instead to live a life of chastity since they are not called to married life. I think they have a special cross to bear in this life, and deserve our compassion, not judgment.

I share Carrie’s opinion. It is perfectly in line with Catholic teaching, makes good sense and reminds us that each person is given crosses to bear in this life. It is how we chose to react to those crosses that is important.

 

[Bennie_P]

I guess that you could start by looking at certain city-states from ancient Greece. There was no “gay marriage” as such, but in city-states like Athens homosexuality was accepted (or in some cases expected).

It kind of worked like a mentorship/aprenticeship system which every city-state used, but some city-states forbade intercourse between the mentor and the student. Sparta used it to strengthen the bond between soldiers, while other places used it in non-military fields (like the arts, commerce, carpentry ect).

I think that Rome had a similar system.

And don’t forget the core leadership of the German NAZI Party of the last century. Suggested reading **The Pink Swastika **

There two differnet issues concerning “gays” one is about the individual which struggles with SSA in which we should IMHO, give support and show compassion for those in that struggle and the other is the politcal movement of the “gay rights” agenda in which want society to accept homosexual behavior as being normal and not harmful to those that actively act on their SSA and proclaim it is good for society. The later needs to be opposed with love and truth.

 

[KarenNC]

I guess that you could start by looking at certain city-states from ancient Greece. There was no “gay marriage” as such, but in city-states like Athens homosexuality was accepted (or in some cases expected).

It kind of worked like a mentorship/aprenticeship system which every city-state used, but some city-states forbade intercourse between the mentor and the student. Sparta used it to strengthen the bond between soldiers, while other places used it in non-military fields (like the arts, commerce, carpentry ect).

I think that Rome had a similar system.

And these systems (which were, as you point out, not at all equivalent to the gay marriage proposed in modern times as some try to assert) persisted for how many centuries while these cultures were the dominant forces in their regions? I believe you would have no problem discovering a host of other reasons that contributed to their eventual falls and had nothing to do with sexual relations.

 

[Bennie_P]

And these systems (which were, as you point out, not at all equivalent to the gay marriage proposed in modern times as some try to assert) persisted for how many centuries while these cultures were the dominant forces in their regions? I believe you would have no problem discovering a host of other reasons that contributed to their eventual falls and had nothing to do with sexual relations.

Of course all corruption is riddled with many corrupting factors, but are you to discount one part of the contributing factors because it is not “the” only factor?

 

[Elric]

And these systems (which were, as you point out, not at all equivalent to the gay marriage proposed in modern times as some try to assert) persisted for how many centuries while these cultures were the dominant forces in their regions?

Pretty much the whole time that Ancient Greece was the dominate “nation”/ society of the known world at the time. I believe that they were still in practice afterwards as well.

I believe you would have no problem discovering a host of other reasons that contributed to their eventual falls and had nothing to do with sexual relations.

You are correct, Macedonia played a part in Ancient Greeces decline. But I wasnt trying to argue… well anything actually.

You asked for a starting point and I thought that Ancient Greece would be a good place to start because homosexuality was a big part of their culture. I certainly wasnt trying to put it up as a power/culture where homosexuality caused its downfall, but rather as an example of where homosexuality was a part of a “nations” culture.

I am sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.

 

[Godi]

It most certainly can NOT be “overcome”.

It most certainly CAN!

 

[agangbern]

“Disordered desire for sexual pleasure is lust. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from procreative and unitive purpose.” (Catechism 2351)

Homosexual is characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire towards another of the same sex. Being of same sex, we can therefore say that their sexual desire is for itself, isolated from any procreative and unitive purpose, a disordered desire.

Therefore, a homosexual is characterized by lust.

And lust, according to the spirit of Mathew 5:28 is sin.

Therefore, homosexuality is a sin!

 

[Polaris]

Disordered desire for sexual pleasure is lust. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from procreative and unitive purpose." (Catechism 2351)

Infertile Heterosexuals are characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire towards a person of the opposite sex. Being infetile, we can therefore say that their sexual desire is for itself, isolated from any procreative purpose, a disordered desire.

Therefore, a infertile heterosexual is characterized by lust.

And lust, according to the spirit of Mathew 5:28 is sin.

Therefore, an infertile heterosexuality is a sin!

This is one of my primary problems with the church. It does not keep its standards in all stituations just what it deems worthy.

 

[KarenNC]

Of course all corruption is riddled with many corrupting factors, but are you to discount one part of the contributing factors because it is not “the” only factor?

No, but one is to examine and be honest about the relative importance of any contributing factors (including whether the one factor one is asserting even actually existed when and where and in the way one says) and not single one factor out as the primary factor unless the evidence support such an assertion.

Jailbelle wrote:
“Let history confirm the ban on gay marriages. Whenever it was sanctioned that country fell and collasped from within. Check the sad history of all such cultures”

For the above statement to be true:

1. need to be specific about which cultures are included in this list
2. need to show that those cultures did indeed primarily “collapse from within” rather than fall due to outside influences or a combination of internal and external influences

For those cultures which we can agree did so collapse:

1. need to show that the term “gay marriage” has an equivalent meaning relative to all these cultures, ie a legally recognized lifelong monogamous union of two homosexual individuals carrying the same standing, rights and responsibilities in that society as a legal marriage between two heterosexuals
2. need to then show that sanctioning gay marriage as it is understood in our current usage of the term was not only a contributing factor to the internal collapse, but a primary factor rather than merely an incidental occurrence. In other words, one would have to show not only credible evidence of correlation but actual causation.

If three countries whose governments collapsed internally painted all happened to paint their streets blue, that does not necessarily mean that having blue streets will cause one’s government to collapse internally.

 

[goofyjim]

“Disordered desire for sexual pleasure is lust. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from procreative and unitive purpose.” (Catechism 2351)

Homosexual is characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire towards another of the same sex. Being of same sex, we can therefore say that their sexual desire is for itself, isolated from any procreative and unitive purpose, a disordered desire.

Therefore, a homosexual is characterized by lust.

And lust, according to the spirit of Mathew 5:28 is sin.

Therefore, homosexuality is a sin!

Oh please. Are you suggesting I am sinning mortally just by getting out of bed in the morning and having same sex attraction? Idon’t believe that for one second.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

If gay marriage becomes The Law of the Land then that Law flies in the Face of the Almighty. That nation will collapse.

Gay marriage is demonic in its base.

 

[StevenFrancis]

im new so i just wanna see some opinions . Im all for it

To act out on Homosexual desires is a mortal sin, as is any other sexual union outside of heterosexual marriage.

You musn’t hate people, and certainly we should have the same empathy we have for any other of our fellow sinners. (We are all sinners).

But to be “all for it”? That would make you happy to see your brothers and sisters committing mortal sin, while they may be in danger of their very souls.

I know you don’t see the problem, and obviously don’t acknowledge the sin, but just try to remember it is grave matter. It would be like encouraging any other awful thing that we unfortunately do to each other. Killing, stealing, adultry, etc.

Just my 2 cents, (and that of God, the Saints, and The Apostles).

Bending or twisting things to make ourselves comfortable or politically correct does nothing in the fullness of time to change the spiritual effect of the sins.

Sorry,

May the peace of the Lord be with you always,

Steven