Secure it’s border? Heck I’ll help you do that. It’s a defense from invasion and a right that should be protected.If it is an absolute right, than it is a right at the expense of others, if necessary. Why is it that Israel is the only country expected not to take action to secure its borders and right to existence, but rather to sit back and wait for God to hand them the land?
Did I miss something in the news? DId Israel invade somewhere??Secure it’s border? Heck I’ll help you do that. It’s a defense from invasion and a right that should be protected.
However expansion of territory, different ballgame. All conquerers take the same stance; in order to defend ourselves we have to take over “x” terrotory.
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Sinse you are firmly placing this back on theologic grounds: Whose heritage of ancestors was it before Judges? Care to give it back to em?Simon said to him in reply: “We have not seized any foreign land; what we took is not the property of others, but our ancestral heritage which for a time had been unjustly held by our enemies.
Now that we have the opportunity, we are holding on to the heritage of our ancestors.”
The only “right” Israel has is to observe its obligations under international law. Some of these breaches probably amount to war crimes.If it is an absolute right, than it is a right at the expense of others, if necessary. Why is it that Israel is the only country expected not to take action to secure its borders and right to existence, but rather to sit back and wait for God to hand them the land?
Thank you, chosen people. This is indeed Zionism and you are indeed a true Zionist.I explained that Judaism is not anti Catholic and that Jews do not believe that Catholics are damned if they do not believe as Jews do. I gave you the source and quotation. In reply, using Christian theology, you explained to me that that was not what Jews believed?!!!
You talk about Jews and salvation, again a Christian concept in as much as it is based on the concept of original sin, something totally foreign to Jewish theology. If your refering to Messianic Judaism, that exists but its hardly mainstream and they do not share your vision as to Messianic era.
The Christian preoccupation with Jews: We appear constantly in the Christian “scheme of things”. The belief that at the end of time all the Jews will accept Jesus or the beliefs regarding the return to the land of Israel and the gathering up of the Jews etc.
Now, Please Please Please don’t be hurt or upset but Christians don’t appear in the Jewish “scheme of things” not once, not even an honourable mention, nada, zip nothing.
On ther one hand we’ve got it real easy. We don’t have to convert you, or save your souls or support you or support your enemies.
On the other hand You as non Jews get into the world to come pretty easy by following those 7 Noachide commandments I mentioned. We Jews have to strain a lot more.
That is the true meaning of being the “chosen people” from the Jewish perspective. It doesn’t make you superior, it just brings with it obligations that non Jews are exempt from.
However, again I receive with love and compassion your superior understanding of Judaism and our beliefs. I may have
3,000 years of Judaisim behind me but you have Robert Sungenis.
Almost missed this. I notice you also skipped mentioning a few details there. However my point was completely missed I see. My reply had nothing to do with revenge. In fact I addressed:(This is just the stupid stuff they teach at University, I like your explanation better that antisemitism and all the terrible things done to the Jews by Christians over the past two millenium is a result of kicking someone out of synagogue during the first century of the common era after he converted to Christianity - still don’t you think that even Tony Soprano might feel sufficiently revenged).