‘It Is Not a Closet. It Is a Cage.’ Gay Catholic Priests Speak Out

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A married priest would not only have to handle this kind of choppy society himself, his wife and kids would too. . .
As I said earlier, this is no different than other working professional families. For many years, I worked as an applied scientist in a global industry and travelled around the world. My wife is a family doctor who at the time had a large obstetrics practice plus ER shifts, etc. We managed to raise three kids through all that. Was it easy? No. But probably a LOT easier than for the working poor doing holding down to minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, or worse, doing it as a single parent.

Sorry I just don’t buy your argument. The world is a choppy, messier place for everybody.

Edit: I would add that the solution to the 3000 diverse parishioners is a better priest-to-parishioner ratio. Celibate priests certainly don’t help with that. Perhaps religion has become to irrelevant in modern society for married men to flock to the priesthood, but it’s certainly worth a shot.
 
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Edit: I would add that the solution to the 3000 diverse parishioners is a better priest-to-parishioner ratio. Celibate priests certainly don’t help with that.
What makes you think a priest’s offspring will be more priests?
 
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That still doesn’t solve the position of power problem that you mentioned in your fourth point. Plus predators can still come in unless marriage is required and even then different types can come instead.

Better screening and making sure children are supervised is the more practical option.
 
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It is more likely that he was talking about more people willing to be priests because they aren’t willing to be celibate.
 
What makes you think a priest’s offspring will be more priests?
Huh?

I said no such thing. A celibate priesthood makes it harder, IMHO to attract vocations to the priesthood.

I may be wrong, but the track record in the recent decades in N. America seems to speak for itself.
 
It is more likely that he was talking about more people willing to be priests because they aren’t willing to be celibate.
So what evidence is there to indicate that we will have more priests if we allow the to split loyalty between family and parish?
 
I don’t know, but I was just trying to clarifying something.
 
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So we can increase vocations through sex?
You’re being disingenuous. Marriage is much more than about sex, it is about companionship, raising a family, etc., in no particular order. Celibacy is the unmarried state, not strictly a sexual state. You’re conflating celibacy with continence. Chastity requires that the celibate be continent. Marriage can however also licitly be continent (cf. mutually consensual Josephite marriages).
 
The problem is, both you and your wife have professions in which marriage and kids have been ‘part of’ for decades, if not centuries (counting doctors as surgeons, herbalists etc and scientists of varying types.

What if either doctors or scientists had never, in your culture, been married or had to raise families, for more than a thousand years, and you were suddenly put in a position where people expected you to do so, and to do so perfectly. . .no hint of divorce, infidelity, no problems with the kids?
 
Is the idea that we need to ‘attract vocations’ one we really want?

Surely that does more to foster the whole idea of priesthood as ‘job’ (not vocation), and thus strengthens the case for ‘female priests’. If it’s all about ‘jobs’ and ‘sex/family’ and making things ‘attractive’, where is God in all this?
 
You’re being disingenuous. Marriage is much more than about sex
The only thing I keep seeing discussed is celibacy.
If you want to discuss other aspects of a marriage, why has only the one been mentioned? I stand by my understanding that this is really about sex.
 
The problem is, both you and your wife have professions in which marriage and kids have been ‘part of’ for decades, if not centuries (counting doctors as surgeons, herbalists etc and scientists of varying types.
Sorry the argument doesn’t, fly as there have been married priests in the Church for a long time, even in the Latin rite. For instance Anglican priests are not obliged to renounce their families if they swim the Tiber. Moreover the duties their vocation, even in the Anglican ecclesial community, is not all that much different than a Catholic priest’s, and there are plenty of married Anglican priests; culturally, in the West, it is not at all uncommon to have unmarried clergy.
The only thing I keep seeing discussed is celibacy.
If you want to discuss other aspects of a marriage, why has only the one been mentioned? I stand by my understanding that this is really about sex.
Catholic Encyclopedia:
Celibacy of the Clergy

Celibacy is the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades.
Celibacy is about marriage. While sex is normally part of marriage, it is not the only part. Moreover, many married couples are not sexually active for reasons of illness, age, loss of interest, whatever. Their marriage is no less valuable, and no less important, because of it, and such married couples find different ways to express love, and mutually care for each other.

A priest’s life is not only a continent one, it is by virtue of celibacy also a lonely one.

In French, my mother tongue, someone who is not married is a *célibataire". In other words, “celibacy” refers to marriage. Sexual continence is of course demanded of the celibate.
Is the idea that we need to ‘attract vocations’ one we really want?

Surely that does more to foster the whole idea of priesthood as ‘job’ (not vocation), and thus strengthens the case for ‘female priests’. If it’s all about ‘jobs’ and ‘sex/family’ and making things ‘attractive’, where is God in all this?
God often uses things to attract us. We can say the same about beautiful liturgy. It is attractive enough to have drawn this former lapsed Catholic back into the fold. Priests are only human, and priests today, often having to work alone, are being asked for something heroic. It’s beyond not “attracting” vocations, it is repelling them. There will already be plenty of sacrifices to a priestly vocation, including economic ones, without expecting heroic, and dare I say unnatural, virtue from ordinary men.
 
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I believe we were discussing celibacy? Celibacy is the unmarried state. Seems to me it automatically implies all the other benefits and obligations of marriage, not just sex.

Seems to me I did bring it up…
 
I believe we were discussing celibacy ? Celibacy is the unmarried state.
Not on this side of the pond.
But OK. If you say you really are referencing marriage in general, fine.

What evidence do you have that providing people the opportunity to split loyalty between a family and a parish will increase vocations?
 
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