“Late Pope Could Be Saint Soon.” How? WHY?

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Steve_O_Brien said:
For high levels of holiness and pastoral wisdom, please consider Pope St. Pius X (1903-1914), whom the Church ***has ***
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declared a saint.

I urge you to read St. Pius X’s encyclical Pascendi, written to oppose the heresy of Modernism:

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html

In Pope John Paul II, we needed another St. Pius X. We needed someone to address the post-Vatican II confusion in the human dimensions of the one true Church. We needed a Pope who lucidly interpreted and courageously implemented the actual Second Vatican Council. Alas, we did not have another St. Pius X during John Paul II’s pontificate.

I cannot imagine St. Pius X allowing the scandals that John Paul II allowed. I cannot imagine, for example, St. Pius X permitting the sexual abuse scandal to develop in the priesthood.

Let’s face up to the truth, as painful as it may be. By all means, pray for the repose of John Paul II’s soul, and honor him by using his catechism to defend the Faith. But please recognize that he was not a St. Pius X.

Keep and spread the Faith.This is largely just traditionalist rhetoric.

Pius X I never knew, and I believe that the Holy Spirit gave us precisely what God wanted us to have both in JPII and Benedict XVI. Your opinions notwithstanding.

Your imagination is not a valid criteria to judge any Pope on. There is little doubt that there were some within the clergy even in Pius X day who were equally grave sinners. Were you alive at that time to know otherwise?
Then you have no evidence to support your assertion aside from hero worship of Pius X, do you?
 
Kendy said:
It’s not our place to make these decisions.
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No Catholic can deny that Christ grants the authority to make decisions on teaching, governing, and sanctifying the Church only to the successors of Peter and the other Apostles.

At the same time, however, the Church teaches the following in section 907 of the new catechism:

***"‘In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons.’" ***

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
Incense_Baby said:
You’re right. It’s not our place to make these decisions, which is why I find it hypocritical to call him “The Great One” as if entitled to judge his sanctity
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.Physician heal thyself…You make the same so called error in your opinions expressed here.

How is your opinion less “hypocritical” than mine or anyone else’s.

I think you tread very very near to scandalous libel.
 
Steve_O_Brien said:
No Catholic can deny that Christ grants the authority to make decisions on teaching, governing, and sanctifying the Church only to the successors of Peter and the other Apostles.

At the same time, however, the Church teaches the following in section 907 of the new catechism:

***"'In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty **to manifest to the sacred pastors *****
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their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons.’"

Keep and spread the Faith."**to manifest to the sacred pastors **" not to the rest of the church, or even a forum such as this where you offer scandal for no good reason. You should stop while you’re almost even…
 
Incense_Baby said:
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He helped save my life… That is a good reason, I think. I don’t know how much you value a human soul, but I know that the church certainly does.

I don’t understand why there are all of these JPII bashing threads. You can say that he doesn’t deserve heaven for this or that reason, but you are just acting a fool. You should be praying for more saints, not tearing them down because they didn’t do what you would have. From a purely philosophical/ theological standpoint, we should hope to God that Hitler is in heaven, because we deserve hell/purgation as much as this man.
 
Church_Militant said:
“**to manifest to the sacred pastors **” not to the rest of the church, or even a forum such as this where you offer scandal for no good reason. You should stop while you’re almost even…
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Please read CCC 907 again:

"’. . .] and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful . . .].’"

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
Kendy said:
None of the things you mentioned show a lack of holiness on his part.

I agree, but I do think they show a lack of leadership.
Like I said earlier, there are lots of things that I think the pope should do, but that’s why God in his wisdom did not call me to the task.
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Steve_O_Brien said:
Please read CCC
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907 again:

"’. . .] and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful . . .].’"

Keep and spread the Faith.so noted…I disagree with you…there’s my opinion made “known to the other Christian faithful”.
 
We westerners need to stop wanting our popes to be like patriots or politicians, long on the rhetoric and short on the example of Our Lord.

I think that John Paul the Great’s example and teaching encyclicals speak volumes far louder than any denunciation from the balcony in Rome.
 
Great One
Pope John Paul IIhttp://theknights12811.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/pope_john_paul_ii_01.jpg.w300h338.jpg
 
Kendy said:
Kendy;1885295:
I think it’s extremely ?]
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to assume that John Paul made the decisions that he made because he lacked courage. I seriously doubt that the man who stood up to the nazis and communists was spineless.
Kendy

Excellent point, Kendy. Also you inadvertantly left a word out there. Maybe we can help you out, and fill in the blank:

“I think it’s extremely _____________to assume that John Paul made the decisions that he made because he lacked courage.”

arrogant?
cheeky?
ignorant?
lacking in humility?
ridiculous?
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