“Misgender” a transgender person and lose your healthcare? New rules in UK make it possible

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Modern laws penalizing heresy (of a secular variety).
 
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Only in the UK would you be punished for not enabling someone in their disorder. Sigh
 
This whole gender fad is getting old and annoying. Time for another special interest group to ram their ideology down our throats.
 
Yet another reason why Govt run healthcare is a bad idea - gives Govt weapon to control people.
 
Far better that the less well off or those with pre-existing conditions have no access to healthcare. The NHS has existed since 1947, well before the rot set in.
 
Sadly this thread has quickly degenerated into an opportunity for people to make lazy generalizations about the UK in general and the NHS in particular. I wonder how many of those posting here have ever actually lived in the UK. I lived there for two years. Two of the best years of my life.
 
What a contrast. The UK is denying citizens coverage. Certain presidential candidates in the US are calling for free health care for non-citizens here illegally. I’m sure if the US government took over all health care it too would implement these denial policies to anyone doesn’t fall in line with the orthodoxy.
 
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What a contrast. The UK is denying citizens coverage. Certain presidential candidates in the US are calling for free health care for non-citizens here illegally. I’m sure if the US government took over all health care it too would implement these denial policies to anyone doesn’t fall in line with the orthodoxy.
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You used the phrase ‘Denied coverage’, do you think someone who falls foul of this policy can never use NHS services again?
 
No I don’t think that. I was referring to this from the article:

"The UK’s nationalized medical industry has implemented new rules expanding the reasons medical staff can refuse non-critical healthcare. "
 
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No I don’t think that. I was referring to this from the article:

"The UK’s nationalized medical industry has implemented new rules expanding the reasons medical staff can refuse non-critical healthcare. "
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But that isn’t ‘denial of coverage’, if they are still eligible for care under the NHS. I’m just confused as to the point you are making.

I don’t see what the calls for single payer healthcare in the USA has to do with a UK based workplace saying ‘you will be refused a non critical service if you verbally or physically abuse our staff’.
 
Misgendering is now considered abuse? What’s next. If someone doesn’t like a tattoo a person has they can deny that person service? I’ve heard cases where people who don’t make eye contact are considered racist. Health care workers are supposed to be professional and put up with things in their job capacity. That doesn’t mean deciding not to provide care because they don’t like something about a person. People in other jobs who are getting paid a lot less have to put up with a lot more. Just a final note I’m not someone who has the time or the inclination to debate on the Internet. I say my piece and move on, so if you are trying to bait someone into a long drawn out argument you should look elsewhere. I gave my opinion and I’m done.
 
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Misgendering is now considered abuse? What’s next. If someone doesn’t like a tattoo a person has they can deny that person service? I’ve heard cases where people who don’t make eye contact are considered racist.
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The policy was not brought in to tackle ‘misgendering’, the policy was brought in to help protect staff from racial and sexist abuse, which happens far more often than ‘misgendering’.
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Health care workers are supposed to be professional and put up with things in their job capacity. That doesn’t mean deciding not to provide care because they don’t like something about a person. People in other jobs who are getting paid a lot less have to put up with a lot more.
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Healthcare workers are entitled to the same protections that other workers are entitled to. Physical and verbal abuse is not tolerated in other workplaces, that doesn’t change because that workplace happens to be in a healthcare setting.

Secondly, they don’t deny the care ‘because there is something they don’t like about the person’. That is not how discharge happens or how our complaints and incident processes are handled.
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Just a final note I’m not someone who has the time or the inclination to debate on the Internet. I say my piece and move on, so if you are trying to bait someone into a long drawn out argument you should look elsewhere. I gave my opinion and I’m done.
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I am not trying to bait you. You ‘said your piece’ (I assume) as an American reading an overly hyped article about a service and system in another country. I am a person from said country, who works in the NHS as a Service Manager in an outpatient department and have extensive knowledge of how these policies are applied. My reply is to factually clarify and correct.
 
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So glad you are here, Ruby! (Fellow UK citizen).
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Thank you. Im sure there are a fair few posters who roll their eyes when I pop up on an NHS topic, but misinformation is both sad and dangerous, so I cant help myself sometimes!

Personally, having staff abuse policies strengthened is no bad thing. I have had my non white staff accused of brining in diseases to the clinic, belittled and asked if their qualifications are ‘real’, and called all manner of racial slurs. Across the board, I have had all my staff members report patients shouting/swearing and making threats for circumstances completely beyond their control.

I myself have been cornered in a room and shouted at, by a patient’s husband who was unhappy I had canceled his wife’s appointment that day because our clinician for the clinic had not been able to come to work that day because her father died during the night. My staff had to call security for me due to fears he would escalate to violence.

No person deserves that in the workplace. Abuse of staff is a choice patients are making and should not be tolerated as ‘part of the job’. No other workplaces allow a carte blanche for their staff to be treated like garbage.

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We have had this discussion before.

Basically, the laws ask medical professionals to be polite and use the name/pronoun that a person wishes you to use. We are called to be at peace with all people, ever the people who use pronouns we don’t agree on.
 
Well said, Ruby. Any reasonable person can see the article is click bait for those who wish to be righteously indignant.
 
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Yet another reason why Govt run healthcare is a bad idea - gives Govt weapon to control people.
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That isn’t a reason.

As we’ve seen here in the States, privately-owned businesses are still absolutely vulnerable to legal penalties for following their values.

And private healthcare in the USA is absolutely able to attack people in the same way.
 
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This is so incredibly stupid. “Misgendering” is nothing more than speaking the truth. If someone who is born a male claims to be a female, I’m certainly not going to refer to them with female pronouns because I would not be speaking the truth. The truth is that they are male and not female and the pronouns we use should reflect that truth.
 
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“In the U.K., people are increasingly being attacked for referring to transgendered people using the ‘wrong pronoun.’”
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“A lot of this comes down to an expanding definition of transgender rights.”
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UK Med Care easily succumbs to LGBTQ-ism

T? Is a mental disease.

The Rest? Connects with Homosexualism

They’re not Genders

Male and Female are the two and only Genders

They’re? Sexual Preferences

Homo-Sexual? Sexual attraction to someone(s) of your Gender

And What About Male and Female H? aka Heterosexual? Chopped Liver? 😃
 
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