Well, not having the exact chapter/verse handy, I do recall that when the Lord welcomed His servant into heaven He told him that there would be more to do…
You are in error, ja4. However, you have been told this dozens of times previously to no avail. Yet, for the sake of the lurkers I will correct you again (and for the sake of my character development).
Trying to derail yet another thread, ja4?
Still pulling from your same old back of tricks? Have we not had this Tradition discussion to death? It is clear that this is a disingenuous question,and that you are not here to learn anything. Shall I post the statements you have made that proves this?
Personally, I don’t think that you are interested in learning anything Catholic, but if you must persist in this trolling, at least open another thread.
Because we read scripture as a whole, and don’t pull certain verses out of it upon which to build doctrine. When we read this passage in the light of all the others, an in the light of Apostlic teaching, we can see that OSAS is erroneous.
Another attempt at thread derailment?
With all due respect, studying “on my own” is one of the foundations of Protestantism, and does not necessarily result in a right understanding of Catholicism. Sadly, RCIA is not necessarily helpful in that regard at times, either.
We should all exercise courtesy and disagree with dignity when necessary. We should uphold our brethren, whether they are Catholic or Protestant. Christ has called us to unity.
And against the teaching of the Church.
Mary is the model of what God intends for all Christians to become:
How do Catholics make Mary out to be “more than God”? It seems to me that you don’t understand God’s plan for man. God became man so that we might partake of His divinity. He wants His power to dwell within us, and operate through us.
Where, in the Bible, do you find this assumption about the Bible?
I see your point. However, the Word of God was never intended to be constricted to the Scripture. Therefore, since he only has the portion of that Word that can be found in scripture, it is, by definition, deficient.
Do you love the Mother of God?
You did not answer the question …“Tell me where in the Bible does God give her power”? Maybe you have another verse that can answer this from the Scriptures.
Question, Who did she unite with to conceive Our Lord? If this is not spiritual power being given to her then what is power?
She was able to conceive when the Holy Spirit came upon her and the power of the Most High overshadowed her. Luke 1:35. There is no mention throughout the gospels or even in the letters that Mary had any kind of supernatural powers. We don’t have any accounts of her doing any miracles for example nor do we have any of the writers of the NT making any appeal to her because she has some kind of power to affect things.
What do you mean by love?
I love the Mother of God. That is what I mean with all sincerity. When I returned to Jesus, He led me to His Mother and to understand the power of His Love He had me begin to understand the power of Her Love for Him and the unspoken power of Her Faith as she stood at the crucifixion without saying a word. That is the power of her faith. It is not spoken but lived. Loving the Mother of God leads me to a deeper understanding of Jesus and His Love for us that cannot be expressed in words. It can only be seen working in our lives.
Where did you ever get the idea that Catholics believe Mary had supernatural powers? You know, BTW, from Scripture that when Mary asks Jesus for something he is very accommodating. We also know that he so loved his Mother that even as he hung in agony he was taking care to provide for her.
(Rom 3:23 KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I was referring to an earlier post which asked by
Jesus did this kind of thing throughout the gospels. This is why He said He came to serve not to be served. This is what we need to model in our own lives here. To say that because Jesus was helpful to His mother means that same kind of thing is to be applied to Mary now who has been dead for 2000 years goes far beyond what this and other texts are saying.
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The problem is that you are assuming that those who no longer have physical bodies and not part of this world can hear your requests either audibly or mentally. The Scriptures never say such things about those who have died. The only One Who can hear our prayers and thoughts is God. Only He alone has such knowledge and power.
Generally from someone else who got it from someone else who got it from someone else who got it from someone else, ad infinitum…and the originator had nary a clue… Peace!!Good question. I don’t know where people get this stuff from.
Peace.
Well, wouldn’t that mean that they are all following, “men” and… the beliefs, created by “men”?Generally from someone else who got it from someone else who got it from someone else who got it from someone else, ad infinitum…and the originator had nary a clue… Peace!!
Perhaps you forgot that St Paul, the Catholic Apostle to the Gentiles often referred to the Scriptures (only the OT, because that is all that existed for 300+years). He would mention a few words and his listeners would know to what he was referring.
Do you not believe that Mary is a believer in Jesus?
This very succinctly ties up the sum total of resistance to the role of Mary in salvation history by persons who call themselves Christian.