10 commandments vs Bible

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OK - now we are getting off topic, but I could use some help here. How do we know Saints can hear us? I read someone else say Hebrews 11-12, but I read it and can’t find it anywhere. I have more questions on this topic, but if this can be answered it would probably answer other questions too.

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Since the theme is on the 10 commandments, he should be asked to say if he also read the Author’s version of the commandments which he took the trouble to name one by one to the rich young man-Mathew 19:18, Mark 10:17-31, Luke 18:18-30.
 
Speaking of the author’s version, how about this for an answer to this question:

“Ten Commandments??? I have a hard enough time obeying the Two Commandments” (Mark 12:30-31)
 
If 5, 6, and 7 all go together because they are all about the Sabbath, then 1, 2, and 3 go together because they are all about false gods.
 
“He made two cherubim from hammered gold and placed them on the two ends of the atonement cover. 8 He molded the cherubim on each end of the atonement cover, making it all of one piece of gold. 9 The cherubim faced each other and looked down on the atonement cover. With their wings spread above it, they protected it.”

Did the Jews violate it when they made the ark of covenant?
 
The whole passage counts. This whole argument is just where to place the commas and periods.
 
From Catholic Answers

One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However, this is not true.

Why Do Catholics Pray to Saints? | Catholic Answers
Thanks Reuben_J. I read this and everything makes sense except for the first two points made in the article. First, I don’t understand why something would be relevant just based on traditions. But let’s not focus on that because what is more troubling to me is that when I read the verses in Revelations, I don’t see anything about how the Saints hear our prayers. Yes, I understand they have bowls full of prayers of God’s people, or prayers from the Saints, but to me it is reading between the lines to believe that these are prayers from people to the Saints, and the Saints put them in the bowls and gave them two the elders.
 
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From Catholic Answers

One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However, this is not true.

Why Do Catholics Pray to Saints? | Catholic Answers
Thanks Reuben_J. I read this and everything makes sense except for the first two points made in the article. First, I don’t understand why something would be relevant just based on traditions. But let’s not focus on that because what is more troubling to me is that when I read the verses in Revelations, I don’t see anything about how the Saints hear our prayers. Yes, I understand they have bowls full of prayers of God’s people, or prayers from the Saints, but to me it is reading between the lines to believe that these are prayers from people to the Saints, and the Saints put them in the bowls and gave them two the elders.
Hi.

Yes, there is none, if you want a explicit “the saints in heaven hear the prayer of saints on earth”. The verse was not framed as such.

But we are told (in Revelation) that the Elders/saints offer prayers to God (as incense). What prayers are that? They are already in heaven, face to face with God? Why do they need to pray?

It is not unreasoonable to believe that those are prayers of the saints on earth that the saints in heaven offer to God. This belief is from the tradition of the Church which understood the thrust of the Bible. I am not preaching this line to you, just trying to explain this topic.

Excerpt from the said link:
_Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: “[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God” (Rev. 8:3-4). _

And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that “the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.


God bless.
 
I see your point, but I guess it is also not unreasonable to believe that those are not prayers from people on Earth to people in heaven. That is what makes it hard for me. I appreciate your help though, I learned some new things here.
 
Ok I can understand that. If you do not believe that the saints in heaven can hear us, then their prayers which they bring up to God need to be something else.

God bless.
 
I see your point, but I guess it is also not unreasonable to believe that those are not prayers from people on Earth to people in heaven. That is what makes it hard for me. I appreciate your help though, I learned some new things here.
True, that passage in Revelation does not specify exactly whos prayers are being presented before God. But here is something to think about: In that scene, you have the twenty-four elders and the four winged creatures along with the seven spirits of God and they are all before the throne of God in this scene, presenting “the prayers of the saints” in the form of bowls of incense.

Now go to the book of Tobit in the Catholic bible. In Tobit, we see the angel Raphael who confesses to Tobit and his son Tobias (who are both alive on earth), that every time Tobit and Tobias prayed, Raphael took their prayers himself and presented them before the throne of God. Then Raphael introduces himself as one of the seven spirits of God, who stands before the Throne.

So now go back to Revelation, where you see the seven spirits, the four winged creatures and the twenty-four elders. They are before the Throne, presenting the prayers of “the saints” or “God’s people”, depending on the translation. See how these two books connect? The twenty-four elders are presenting prayers to God, just like Raphael did with Tobit’s prayers. The angel and saints are all doing the same thing before the throne, presenting prayers, most likely our (the living) prayers. Apostolic churches have always maintained that these are the prayers of the living that are being presented here.

In any rate, just the sheer number of miraculous healings that have been obtained after praying to a saint should tell us that the saints in heaven somehow hear us.
 
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