12 Russian intel officers indicted for DNC hacking in Mueller investigation

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Maybe with Sicilian marionettes?

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LeafByNiggle said:
Besides seeking retribution, the investigation also serves the very important purpose of bringing to light exactly what happened and who is to blame if for no other reason than the American public will know the truth.
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What a joke!

He indicts people who have never spoken to him and are accused probably by Crowdstrike, for hacking a computer the FBI has never examined, and who will not be in court to deny a single thing Mueller and the DNC want said.

And then, after the inevitable conviction, nothing will happen to the defendants.

It’s just a big, stupid show. Might as well accuse Napoleon Bonaparte of hacking the DNC computer for all the “truth” that will come out in the course of it. Mueller is playing the whole country for fools.
 
Mueller missed a good bet here. Might as well convict a group of Sicilian marionettes for all the reality of the show that’s going to happen with this.
 
Ridgerunner said:
He indicts people who have never spoken to him and are accused probably by Crowdstrike, for hacking a computer the FBI has never examined, and who will not be in court to deny a single thing Mueller and the DNC want said.
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Read the indictment, it’s very illuminating and will help clear up your misunderstandings of the investigation.
 
I like the progression of Mueller criticism from the Trump side:

“He hasn’t indicted anyone!”

Mueller indicts people

“He hasn’t indicted anyone for election meddling!”

Mueller indicts people for election meddling

“He hasn’t indicted any Americans for election meddling!”

…I think we all know what step comes next.
 
I haven’t read the indictment yet, but I am very much enjoying the many clever and insightful comments about it on this thread.

I am sure the corporate funded alt-right think tanks are scrambling to come up with comebacks to feed to Trump supporters, so they can dutifully repeat them ad nauseum, but for now it’s great to just hear from the side that thinks for itself.
 
ahkf said:
Read the indictment, it’s very illuminating and will help clear up your misunderstandings of the investigation.
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You can’t be serious. Mueller could say absolutely anything in it from any source, including his own staff’s imaginings. Since the Russians are not going to appear to contest any of it, there won’t be any counter-information at all.

Mueller knows all that. He’s convicting ghosts.
 
Luke6_37 said:
I am sure the corporate funded alt-right think tanks are scrambling to come up with comebacks to feed to Trump supporters, so they can dutifully repeat them ad nauseum, but for now it’s great to just hear from the side that thinks for itself.
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They don’t have to scramble. Even I know that if there is a charge against somebody and they never defend it, it’s taken for true. To anybody with even a rudimentary sense of how the law works, this should be obvious.
 
I doubt any Trump people would say this because Mueller has already indicted another group of Russians that haven’t shown up for court, never will, and will never be punished.

It’s easy to win if the other side is “no show”.
 
So there was no crime committed and Trump had no idea about the stolen emails?
 
Maybe but the 12 won’t be traveling much outside Russia.

That brings the number of indictments to 32. Good work, Columbo.
 
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Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know, or heard it from one of his staff or from somebody who thought he could get paid by saying these things. Might have been hearsay from Crowdstrike or Steele or any number of DNC operatives.

But none of that is the point. The point is that in indicting Russians who will never appear in court and will never be punished, Mueller is creating the impression of having proved something he is not going to be required to prove, and certainly not against opposition.

He charges the people he can reach with other things, but when it comes to “collusion with Russia” it’s always ghosts who will never appear to contest anything he claims.
 
Interpol could bring them in. They just need to show up in a country with an extradition treaty with The US.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know, or heard it from one of his staff or from somebody who thought he could get paid by saying these things. Might have been hearsay from Crowdstrike or Steele or any number of DNC operatives.
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Are you accusing Mueller of indicting people without evidence?
 
The indictments are from evidence presented to the grand jury. :woman_shrugging:t2:
 
HCTC said:
wonder what the chances are that Trump will read this indictment. It will probably have to be made into some sort of “show” for him - maybe an animated movie…
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How uncharitable. Guy is incredibly wealthy, and is POTUS, and you infer he needs to get his information from a cartoon.

The hatred runs deep here
 
F_Marturana said:
The indictments are from evidence presented to the grand jury
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Laughable in the extreme. As Judge Wachtler is often quoted, a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich if told to do so by the prosecutor, because ONLY the prosecution can present evidence and there’s nobody to object to defective evidence.

Does it not strike you as at least dubious that Mueller’s only indictments for “Russia collusion” is against Russians who will never appear in court to contest his allegations and who won’t be punished anyway?
 
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