12 Russian intel officers indicted for DNC hacking in Mueller investigation

[ahkf]

They seemed to have found a whole coven.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...tch-hunt-it-sure-is-finding-a-lot-of-witches/

So for the benefit of those who continue to claim that the Russia investigation is a great big witch hunt with nothing to show for its efforts, let’s remind ourselves of what it has produced to date:

Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail awaiting trial on multiple charges relating to his relationships with a Russian oligarch close to Putin and the former leader of Ukraine, widely considered a Putin puppet.

Trump’s deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, pled guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

A Trump foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with various Kremlin-connected figures and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian associate of Manafort, was indicted on obstruction of justice charges.

Richard Pinedo pled guilty to identity fraud for selling stolen identities to Russians connected to the Mueller probe.

Alex Van Der Zwaan, a Dutch banker and son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his work with Manafort and Gates, and was jailed briefly and then deported.

Thirteen individuals and three companies were indicted for their participation in a Russian scheme to conduct “information warfare” during the 2016 election in order to push voters away from Clinton and toward Trump, as well as undermining trust in the electoral system more generally.

And now, eleven Russian military officials have been indicted for hacking into the email systems of the Democratic National Committee and various people connected to Hillary Clinton, including her campaign chairman, then disseminating the materials in carefully timed releases meant to maximize the political damage to Clinton. One of those 11, plus another Russian official, have also been indicted for hacking into the systems of state election agencies.

Also:

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Remember, there’s nothing wrong with witch hunts when witches actually exist.

 

[Luke6_37]

Luke6_37:

I am sure the corporate funded alt-right think tanks are scrambling to come up with comebacks to feed to Trump supporters, so they can dutifully repeat them ad nauseum, but for now it’s great to just hear from the side that thinks for itself.

They don’t have to scramble. Even I know that if there is a charge against somebody and they never defend it, it’s taken for true. To anybody with even a rudimentary sense of how the law works, this should be obvious.

Don’t sell yourself short. You are not the typical Trump supporter. You should be working for those think tanks! I give you credit for jumping into the hornet’s nest time and time again. However, few on the right have your creativity, even if they share your passion.

 

[ProVobis]

It appears House Republicans are talking bringing impeachment charges against Rosenstein because of this. Sure, no hatred.

 

[Stephen_C]

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[ProVobis]

The key witch date is now July 27th, 2016.

Trump is practically indicting himself here.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I appreciate the compliment. It’s decent of you. I do realize many are so anti-Trump they can’t see anything else going on. But I am entirely serious, and I think as non-partisan as I can make myself be, in having a deep concern about the political weaponization of law enforcement and the intel community. I think we’re really in deep, and I only hope it can be eradicated, even for partisan reasons, before Trump leaves office.

Many years ago, I had occasion to browse through the U.S. Code, the criminal part or at least A criminal part. I was astonished at how easy it is to commit a federal crime without ever knowing or intending to commit a crime. We really are at the mercy of major league law enforcement. Only their self-restraint keeps any of us out of prison if we’re active in the world at all.

And that self-restraint on their part can (I think) be relied on most of the time to prevent grotesque injustices. But at the moment I’m even less sure of it than I was back when I was a Democrat and the great fear was the politicization of the FBI by Hoover. I don’t know that he was on any particular side politically, but he could and did dominate political persons. With Nixon, there was a certain comic opera aspect to it, but still you could see how intel people could really cause havoc if they became politicized.

And so here we are with incontrovertible evidence that the IRS was weaponized. We’re now looking at the highest levels of the FB I, and it really doesn’t look very good.

Me, I’m almost certainly beneath anybody’s radar. People like Strzok or Mueller don’t bother with people like me…that is, unless we turn out to be handy to some bigger purpose. I realize in the heat of the present political war, some really favor what those agencies of government have been doing. But none of us should.

And no. I don’t think that’s partisan. It’s just something that should not be happening in this country.

 

[HCTC]

Guy is incredibly wealthy, and is POTUS, and you infer he needs to get his information from a cartoon.

So you are of the opinion that he reads?

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“Wolff quotes economic adviser Gary Cohn writing in an email: ‘It’s worse than you can imagine … Trump won’t read anything—not one-page memos, not the brief policy papers, nothing. He gets up halfway through meetings with world leaders because he is bored.’ “

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“Trump didn’t write a word of The Art of the Deal and I doubt he wrote a word of any of the other books that carry his name as an author,” Schwartz said. “He doesn’t read books and he doesn’t write them.”

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know,

Let’s face it. There is nothing Mueller can say that would convince you of anything since you have such a low opinion of him and assume the worst about him. Based on his record, there is no justification for that attitude. At the proper time Mueller will present his evidence. Since there are ongoing international repercussions to these findings, there is good reason for Mueller to release information only as necessary. He does not need to release information to engage in a debate with you and others who demand a confrontation now.

Frankly I don’t understand the unwillingness of the Trump supporters to let this investigation run its course. The attack on our system of government is an attack on all of use, left and right, R or D. We should treat it with the same unanimity as we did the 9/11 attacks.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I belong to no party. Was a Democrat until abortion became the only real Democrat value. Couldn’t adhere to the party platform and the teachings of the Church simultaneously.

I do remember, though, how riled I, and other Dems became over the Hoover revelations. This is so much worse.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Let’s face it. There is nothing Mueller can say that would convince you of anything since you have such a low opinion of him and assume the worst about him. Based on his record, there is no justification for that attitude.

There was at first, until I learned more about his history, like letting those innocent men die in prison when he was in Boston. And Weissman is practically a criminal, called down for unethical behavior by judges in the past. Why hire someone like that? And for that matter, why Strzok? Mueller had to know Strzok was instrumental in creating the “Russia collusion” myth to begin with.

It’s too bad Mueller is a “never Trumper”. This investigation really could have been worthwhile to the American people, but it won’t be now.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The attack on our system of government is an attack on all of use, left and right, R or D. We should treat it with the same unanimity as we did the 9/11 attacks.

I acknowledge that if the Russian government had anything to do with hacking the DNC computer, or whatever, the government needs to see what it can do to prevent such things in the future. But I’m sure it’s true, as some say, that foreign governments always interfere in our elections to some degree, as we do in theirs. Doesn’t excuse it, but it doesn’t call for destroying the U.S. government in the process, which is what’s happening.

It’s amusing that liberals are so gleeful about China’s targeting what it thinks are Trump=supporting areas to put political pressure on Trump for economic reasons; something that really could harm this country.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

The attack on our system of government is an attack on all of use, left and right, R or D. We should treat it with the same unanimity as we did the 9/11 attacks.

I acknowledge that if the Russian government had anything to do with hacking the DNC computer, or whatever, the government needs to see what it can do to prevent such things in the future. But I’m sure it’s true, as some say, that foreign governments always interfere in our elections to some degree, as we do in theirs. Doesn’t excuse it, but it doesn’t call for destroying the U.S. government in the process, which is what’s happening.

There is no justification for that conclusion. The investigation is not destroying or even threatening our system of government.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Let’s face it. There is nothing Mueller can say that would convince you of anything since you have such a low opinion of him and assume the worst about him. Based on his record, there is no justification for that attitude.

There was at first, until I learned more about his history, like letting those innocent men die in prison when he was in Boston. And Weissman is practically a criminal, called down for unethical behavior by judges in the past. Why hire someone like that? And for that matter, why Strzok? Mueller had to know Strzok was instrumental in creating the “Russia collusion” myth to begin with.

You talk about trumped up charges against the Trump campaign, but here you are making trumped up denigrations of Mueller. Have you been reading Breitbart again?

It’s too bad Mueller is a “never Trumper”.

Another unfounded allegation. (Unless you define “never Trumper” to be anyone who does not bow down to the whims of the glorious leader.)

 

[HarryStotle]

I guess the witch hunt found some witches.

And the parrots are… well… parroting.

 

[HarryStotle]

Ridgerunner:

Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know, or heard it from one of his staff or from somebody who thought he could get paid by saying these things. Might have been hearsay from Crowdstrike or Steele or any number of DNC operatives.

Are you accusing Mueller of indicting people without evidence?

Actually, it’s worse than that. It would be more like indicting based upon fabricated evidence.

You merely need to look into the provenance of the “dossier” that kicked off this entire nonsensical adventure to realize how low the current crop of leftist bureaucrats will go to protect their insane ambitions and ends.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

ahkf:

Ridgerunner:

Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know, or heard it from one of his staff or from somebody who thought he could get paid by saying these things. Might have been hearsay from Crowdstrike or Steele or any number of DNC operatives.

Are you accusing Mueller of indicting people without evidence?

Actually, it’s worse than that. It would be more like indicting based upon fabricated evidence.

You merely need to look into the provenance of the “dossier” that kicked off this entire nonsensical adventure …

That is an overstatement of the importance of the dossier. There was also other evidence.

 

[HarryStotle]

Ridgerunner:

Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know,

Let’s face it. There is nothing Mueller can say that would convince you of anything since you have such a low opinion of him and assume the worst about him. Based on his record, there is no justification for that attitude. At the proper time Mueller will present his evidence. Since there are ongoing international repercussions to these findings, there is good reason for Mueller to release information only as necessary. He does not need to release information to engage in a debate with you and others who demand a confrontation now.

Frankly I don’t understand the unwillingness of the Trump supporters to let this investigation run its course. The attack on our system of government is an attack on all of use, left and right, R or D. We should treat it with the same unanimity as we did the 9/11 attacks.

Cancer treatments do appear to “attack” the body within which the cancer resides. That would be because it is the body’s own cells have become malignant.

Denial is a common response to the diagnosis of cancer, however.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

ahkf:

Ridgerunner:

Not necessarily. He could have heard them on left-wing radio for all I know, or heard it from one of his staff or from somebody who thought he could get paid by saying these things. Might have been hearsay from Crowdstrike or Steele or any number of DNC operatives.

Are you accusing Mueller of indicting people without evidence?

Actually, it’s worse than that. It would be more like indicting based upon fabricated evidence.

You merely need to look into the provenance of the “dossier” that kicked off this entire nonsensical adventure …

That is an overstatement of the importance of the dossier. There was also other evidence.

Uh huh.

Such as?

 

[Ridgerunner]

The investigation is not destroying or even threatening our system of government.

There is undoubtedly not a single person in the administration today who does not have at least some distraction from the Mueller criminalization of everyone Mueller thinks might drop a dime on Trump. It’s just silly to think otherwise. The Dems have already effectively turned the Justice Department into an opposition enclave, and the FBI “resistance” movement is only now starting to come apart.

And with the Intel community politicized at least at the top, it’s preposterous to think none of that has any effect on the effectiveness of government functioning.

And finally, it makes it impossible to deal with certain parties and governments in a normal way. Trump can’t do anything with Russia or Ukraine, for example, without a firestorm of propaganda from the Democrat media calling it into question almost no matter what he does.

I do recognize, however, that the liberals don’t care about any of that. Remove Trump from office is the only goal.

 

[Ridgerunner]

That is an overstatement of the importance of the dossier. There was also other evidence.

The phony “dossier” keeps coming up prominently when the Repubs actually manage to get any information from the Deep State. Strzok admitted that was his starting point in the “Russia collusion” investigation he started.