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Randy_Carson
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The seven sacraments are clearly seen in scripture…do we need to review them all for you? If so, please begin a new thread.
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mercygate
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I am not confused. The “apostolic witness” is the apostolic witness. All the Apostles were witnesses of the Resurrection, not just John. Continuing with the witness means sticking to what you have received from “the beginning.”
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Randy_Carson
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Feel free to provide references or links to the writings of these early non-Catholic Christians for our review.
Thanks.
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Randy_Carson
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Hus. Jan Hus. One “s”.
He was a Catholic priest of mediocre talent.
“Even the very biased article on Hus in the Protestant New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, which tries to put Hus on a pedestal, admits that “in his struggles with the University of Prague and his ecclesiastical opponents he cannot be freed altogether from the reproach of slander and abuse”—i.e., he lied about and insulted his opponents—and “his learning was not of a universal range; wherever he goes beyond Wyclif, he falters and becomes dull or verbose”—i.e., he was a man of limited intellectual horizons who latched onto one particular author as his font and parroted him, as some have done with Freud or Marx or Calvin.”
catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9709qq.asp
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mercygate
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Oh. I see. Jesus said to Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” But then he thought: Well, I guess that’s a done deal. I’ll take those keys back after you die because this whole unity thing won’t matter after you’re dead.
What the heck do you think those keys “of the kingdom of heaven” represent, if you think they should be good for only one lifetime? Catholics believe that Jesus knew there would be millennia between his departure and the second coming and that his Church would need to be identifiable and have the wherewithal to carry out its mission until then.
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Randy_Carson
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The Waldensians, Waldenses or Vaudois are a Christian denomination believing in poverty and austerity, promoting true poverty, public preaching and the literal interpretation of the scriptures. They originated in the late 12th century (around 1173) as the Poor Men of Lyons, a band organized by Peter Waldo, a wealthy merchant of Lyon, who gave away his property around 1176 and went about preaching apostolic poverty as the way to perfection.
They went to Rome, where Pope Alexander III blessed their life but forbade preaching (1179) without authorization from the local clergy. They disobeyed and began to teach unorthodox doctrines; they were formally declared heretics by Pope Lucius III in 1184 and by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215. In 1211 more than 80 were burned as heretics at Strasbourg, beginning several centuries of persecution. The movement was brutally persecuted during the 12th and 13th centuries and nearly totally destroyed, but the Waldensian Church survives to this day.
Some Waldenses, and other groups seeking to trace their history through the Waldenses, claim that the Waldenses history extends back to the apostolic church, while the mainstream academic view is that the Waldensians were followers of Peter Waldo (or Valdes or Vaudes).
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Randy_Carson
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I would like to review the verses that explain that the Holy Spirit will lead each believer individually into an infallible understanding of the Bible.
Thanks in advance.
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Randy_Carson
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And as you have been told before the Church has listened to all of her sons and discerned the proper path to follow.
Not every Father was correct on every issue.
I’m sure you will find some who even agree with you.
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Gee, I think that Paul would be very disturbed to learn that Timothy and Titus were not benefitting from the teaching that he was giving them.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
2 Timothy 1:13
What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
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Angainor
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Dogmata are binding on the conscience of a Roman Catholic, right? What about the soul who perished in September of 1950, before this dogma was defined as dogma. He didn’t know his conscience was bound to this, because no one told him. What if this poor guy didn’t believe it?
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Randy_Carson
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It tells us that like the Methodists, they are separated brethren who lack the fullness of truth. Nothing more.
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estesbob
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Not as big a problem as all the Chrisians that lived before luther et al invented a new religion that said that all before them wwnet to hell.
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Randy_Carson
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Not only this, but Jesus knew he was leaving this earth, so as a Good Shepherd, he gave his staff to Peter and told him to care for and feed the sheep. Peter is the first shepherd of the flock.
Do you think Peter would have forgotten this milestone moment which occurred after Peter had denied the Lord three times? I don’t think because John records that Peter was “hurt” that the Lord asked him a third time, “Do you love me?”
Therefore, Peter would have made a similar arrangement prior to his own death which had been foretold by Christ Himself. In fact, Peter wrote:
2 Peter 1:12-15
****So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things. ****
What effort could Peter make to ensure his message would be remembered after his departure?
He would have left the Church in the hands of a reliable successor!
**Hope this helps. :tiphat: **
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Randy_Carson
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He would only be responsible for what he knew…not for what he didn’t.
A properly formed conscience is part of the equation.
Hope this helps. :tiphat:
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Techno2000
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Right, you need the Keys, to stop Hell from prevailing.
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Angainor
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Angainor
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I had a feeling someone was going to say something like that.
The moral of the story: Ignorance is bliss.
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Randy_Carson
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No wonder I’m so happy all the time!
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TheApologist
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Every person living(present) as a Roman Catholic is in the binding(present) of the dogmatic teachings(past and present) of the Church.
Just as mortal sin needs full knowledge of sinfulness ; so does heresy need full knowledge of heresy(how would you know if you couldn’t?). Without full knowledge you have invincible ignorance. So, yes, in this case, invincible ignorance is bliss.
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