1P5 Article "More and More, It Looks Like Tradition is the Future of the Church"

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yankeesouth said:
I originally thought 10 - 20 years and that still might be the case but reading social media outside of CAF, one can see evidence of a a speedier transformation.
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5-10 years is not enough time for all the Baby Boomers and older Gen Xers (which I’m a member of) to be overtaken by people who prefer the Latin Mass.

I don’t even think 10-20 is enough time either. A 40/50 year old priest today could be a 60 - 70 year old bishop in 20 years. That’s just not enough time.

The most traditional seminarians/priests are in their early 20/30s. There needs to be a lot more time for them gain power and start training future priests. So it’s most likely 50-80 years (min) before the Latin Mass re-replaces the Ordinary Form.
 
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Our parish just celebrated its first TLM Sunday Mass, probably since the Novus Ordo came out, and now will be offering TLM every Sunday. I no longer need to travel even 40 minutes to able to fulfill my Sunday Obligation with the TLM.
Tradition is on the rise, and will continue to rise, people who say otherwise don’t wish to see reality
 
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Maximian said:
That’s not true. A priest trained to say the EF, can say the EF. It’s a VERY big difference.
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And a priest trained to do exorcisms can do exorcisms. But he’s still a priest, even though few are qualified to do exorcisms.

It’s specialized training. But he’s still a priest.
 
If you can’t see what’s at stake, I don’t know what to say.
 
Problem with everyone getting what they want, the Church loses it’s unity like the “one” in the “one, holy Catholic and apostolic” "Church.
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Does this logic extend to our brothers in the east?
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There is a lot of division in the different rites in the East. Some are in communion with Rome and some are not. Those who are in communion with Rome have approved rites. People are not getting just whatever they want. Also in the extraordinary form when people try to get whatever they want it can cause liturgical abuses.
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
Those who are in communion with Rome have approved rites.
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Oh, so it isn’t actually causing division? So long as the rites are approved, it’s fine for people to get what they desire in the liturgy they attend?

Why, then, is it a problem if I desire the OF to stay ordinary and the EF to stay extraordinary?
 
Not a consequence of different rites as I’m aware, but a valid point nevertheless. Some things do cause division. Me going to the OF and you to the EF doesn’t, so long as we desire it to not do so.
 
You’re losing me, then. I don’t see what your problem was with my original comment.
 
Maximian said:
If you can’t see what’s at stake, I don’t know what to say.
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Actually I can see what’s at stake. Labeling priests “Novus Ordo” vs “traditionalist”, is divisive, and division in the Church is not a good thing.
 
phil19034 said:
For example: while there are PLENTY of good Diocesan Latin Mass Churches, I know of one in a neighboring dioceses where people will drive PAST it into another state and diocese in order to attend the FSSP parish.
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All parishes are diocesan. This includes all parishes that have FSSP clergy. In my diocese most parishes have only diocesan clergy, some diocesan parishes have only Jesuit or Franciscan clergy. Some parishes have a diocesan and a religious order priest ministering.

All licit EF Masses are diocesan Masses. The bishop is ultimately responsible. A layman may prefer the Mass offered by Fr. John, who happens to be FSSP rather than the one by Fr. Bill, who happens to be diocesan, but the Mass is the Mass.
 
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For example: while there are PLENTY of good Diocesan Latin Mass Churches, I know of one in a neighboring dioceses where people will drive PAST it into another state and diocese in order to attend the FSSP parish.
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All parishes are diocesan. This includes parishes that have FSSP clergy. In my diocese most parishes have only diocesan clergy, some diocesan parishes have only Jesuit or Franciscan clergy. Some parishes have a diocesan and a religious order priest ministering.

All licit EF Masses are diocesan Masses. The bishop is ultimately responsible. A layman may prefer the Mass offered by Fr. John, who happens to be FSSP rather than the one by Fr. Bill, who happens to be diocesan, but the Mass is the Mass.
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come on… I know that.

I’m referring to masses with diocesan priests vs religious priests.

One of the best Latin Mass personal parishes I know of is staffed by a diocesan priest. But that parish is one of very FEW Latin Mass personal parishes staffed by diocesan priest(s).
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
It isnt a problem that you prefer the OF, the problem is everyone expecting to get what they want.
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I think OF, being “ordinary” (as in usual) form, is and should be an expectation everywhere. EF being “extraordinary” should be, as the motu proprio says, available when numbers justify it. Since they don’t always do so, yes it’s normal that they may not get what they want if a stable group can’t be put together.

In my area there is nearly zero demand for the EF, so not unexpectedly, there’s only OF Masses. People who want “tradition” and Gregorian chant seem more than satisfied by our local abbey which offers all that, but ONLY in the OF.
 
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