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frommi
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We don’t have theology without questioning things…
Questions are morally neutral…much like feelings.
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Questions are morally neutral…much like feelings.
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bones_IV
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Apples and Oranges.
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scylla
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I agree that we do not have theology without questioning, as evidenced by my examples.
Specific questions are not morally neutral as evidenced by my examples.
Mary questioned in search of truth.
Zechariah questioned for lack of faith.
Both questioned for different reasons and the reasons can be discerned by the questions asked. In the same way we can see the evil behind questioning with an intent to disobey which is exactly what those who support Call to Action or even associate with them do.
Questions themselves can be morally neutral, lets not confuse the word “question” and the action of disobedience.
A bottle of grape wine is morally neutral, drinking the whole bottle and deliberately getting drunk is a sin. Using the wine at Mass is an obedient and morally good action.
God Bless
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SusanL
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I know that I’m coming into this discussion late so I apologize if this has already been answered but…
Is Bishop Kmiec a dissident??
Please God, no. He’s our Bishop.
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frommi
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No, he’s fine…he just doesn’t meet the less than reasonable standards set by the folks who post around here.
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SusanL
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frommi: in what way?
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frommi
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Apparently a deacon in his diocese publically blasted a US representative who was at mass about his support for stem cell research…the bishop chastised the deacon…
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SusanL
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I know of that issue. The deacon was giving a pro-life homily on Pro-Life Sunday. He spoke of the Rep. Brian Higgins’ voting record and said that if anyone wanted to speak to Mr. Higgins about it they could do that after mass. When Rep. Higgins made a spectacle by getting up and leaving with his family, the deacon, in my opinion, made a critical mistake. He said something akin to “there’s Rep. Higgins.”
With the exception of that mistake, I am in full support of the deacon and was very very disappointed with the Bishop’s response.
My antennae went up with that response from the Bishop; however, I know very little else about him.
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CCCatholic17
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I am very disappointed with this thread. Stop bashing each other ( forum family and speakers at RECongress). Please remember which mandatory commandment Jesus calls us to live by: LOVE. I could bring up my opinions on Jim Wallis, Richard Rohr, women priests ect. but instead I want to invite each of you to examine your own faith life and how you can better serve the Lord. Please stop pointing out the flaws in others…lift people up with your words don’t try and tear them apart. God is Love.
Blessings,
Heather
Blessings,
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scylla
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I agree the personal attacks on this thread are uncalled for.
We need to maintain charity.
The correcting and pointing out of dissident thoughts though are required by all Christians, as correcting the sinner is something all Christians should do. I would expect anyone else to correct me if I held an opinion that was rejecting God’s will, such as women priests.
I might get angry as my pride would be hurt, but I would rather be upset than be allowed to insult God by misrepresenting truth.
We should point out how evil holding positions that question the incarnation such as women priests, etc…
But we should point out these sinful thoughts with charity and tact.
God Bless
Scylla
We need to maintain charity.
The correcting and pointing out of dissident thoughts though are required by all Christians, as correcting the sinner is something all Christians should do. I would expect anyone else to correct me if I held an opinion that was rejecting God’s will, such as women priests.
I might get angry as my pride would be hurt, but I would rather be upset than be allowed to insult God by misrepresenting truth.
We should point out how evil holding positions that question the incarnation such as women priests, etc…
But we should point out these sinful thoughts with charity and tact.
God Bless
Scylla
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Shoshana
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My own pastor says the same thing. hwen a person who has been shown his error and is certainly not obedient under the mantle of the Faith and teaching, he is a heretic.
If a person continues to use birth control because one does not believe in the teaching of the Church, he is a heretic!
If person believes that God still loves him when he misses Mass so he could sleep in, and is told that this is a trangression against his own Faith, and continues to miss Mass at his own convenience, he is a heretic!
If you are really being defiant in face of the Chruch’s wisdom on any account and continue to flaut one’s nose at her, is a heretic!
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frommi
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You’re describing sinners…not heretics…none of the teachings you mention are dogmas of the church.
It dawns on me that the folks who teach as Fr. Corapi does draw to themselves a choir of people who simply agree with them…but I rarely hear of anyone who is so moved by being aggressively chastised that they change their ways.
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bones_IV
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How can you make statements like that and call yourself Catholic?
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Shoshana
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Well, I have heard of a wonderful story of a woman and a man who have opened St Lukes Mission after being inspired by Fr corapi…that is big in my books, how about yours…
And it was after hearing his conference that I started the Perpetual Prayer for Priests…not a big thing i know…but it made me appreciate priests even more…
He put the fear of God in my soul and the love of Mary…the fires have been kindled to the umpteenth degree.
I have also noticed that priests hwo complain about him are usually envious…are you…the man speaks the Truth…do you…reverend father…
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frommi
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I don’t tend to envy too many people…my lot in life is my lot in life and I couldn’t be happier.
But if you look in this thread…one woman was pointed out as a horrible heretic who believed in women’s ordination and should be shunned…she opened a mission for prostitutes to get back on their feet…that’s pretty impressive as well.
If you need to fear God to live as a Christian, then go for it…I’ll take the knowledge of redemptive love and self giving sacrifice as my reasons to love my neighbor as myself.
But again…I’m not speaking at the congress…and I find the silence about those who are interesting…since apparently former pontiffs are ready to rise from the dead over it.
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Shoshana
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I don’t tend to envy too many people…my lot in life is my lot in life and I couldn’t be happier.
Happy to hear that Father!
But if you look in this thread…one woman was pointed out as a horrible heretic who believed in women’s ordination and should be shunned…she opened a mission for prostitutes to get back on their feet…that’s pretty impressive as well.
Well, if a person continues to be stubborn in her stand about women ordinations even after being told a multiple number of times that is against Church teaching…well…I, too would consider her a heretic! The cafeteria is closed to the Roman Catholics! BUT…and as bishop Sheen has said succintly, even such a person (or even much worse) can perform good works as goodness stems from Goodness itself.
If you need to fear God to live as a Christian, then go for it…I’ll take the knowledge of redemptive love and self giving sacrifice as my reasons to love my neighbor as myself.
Ome does not exclude the other. I will always fear my Lord as He is an awesome God! But, I, a sinner herself tries to show this love in following the teaching of our Church! I cannot guide myself as I can so easily deceive myself…
But again…I’m not speaking at the congress…and I find the silence about those who are interesting…since apparently former pontiffs are ready to rise from the dead over it.
Father, speakers that titillate my senses have no place in my world…it is not easy to be a Catholic today…I want to hear thhe Truth and not a distortion of it. New Age has crept into our church and has infected so many of our people…give me true orthodox speakers like Fr Benedict Groeschel! Now here is the epitomy of holiness! And he tells it like it is! I can’t count how many times he said ‘stupid Catholics’ at his last confetrence! And yes, there are many stupid Catholics…who bite into anything they hear and not comparing any idea to the Gospel and to the teaching of the Church. Give me his kind of Catholciism any day over any Barney-style spirituality…
So father, these are my thoughts…many blessings…
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Angels_Watchin
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This is a list of anti-Catholic quotes by and comments about (past speaking engagements, associations etc) some of the RE Congress speakers from the CRCOA (Concerned Roman Catholics of America) website: www.crcoa.com
crcoa.com/archives/rel_cong_speaker_lists/2007/KenCongWandererAdJan07Dupe.pdf
This is the list of speakers from the LA Archd. website
recongress.org/ REC dates March 1-4, 2007 Anaheim.
It is clear that C. Mahony is still hiring speakers who are teaching against the teachings of the Church. (The CRCOA website lists the dissenting statements and events that these speakers have participated in.)
Find out if your children’s Catholic School teachers or RE instructors are attending this “dissent-fest”, by calling your parish office. (They come in from all over the U.S. for this)
Let your pastor know what you’ll do if he supports this event.
A few suggestions: 1. Put a note in your Sunday collection basket instead of cash or check. 2. Call your bishop’s office and tell them you will not be sending any more PSA checks. 3. Pull your children out of the RCIA program and go to a parish whose teachers do NOT attend this Congress.
Support the true teachings of the Church.
Angel
crcoa.com/archives/rel_cong_speaker_lists/2007/KenCongWandererAdJan07Dupe.pdf
This is the list of speakers from the LA Archd. website
recongress.org/ REC dates March 1-4, 2007 Anaheim.
It is clear that C. Mahony is still hiring speakers who are teaching against the teachings of the Church. (The CRCOA website lists the dissenting statements and events that these speakers have participated in.)
Find out if your children’s Catholic School teachers or RE instructors are attending this “dissent-fest”, by calling your parish office. (They come in from all over the U.S. for this)
Let your pastor know what you’ll do if he supports this event.
A few suggestions: 1. Put a note in your Sunday collection basket instead of cash or check. 2. Call your bishop’s office and tell them you will not be sending any more PSA checks. 3. Pull your children out of the RCIA program and go to a parish whose teachers do NOT attend this Congress.
Support the true teachings of the Church.
Angel
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Angels_Watchin
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Here’s the list!!
catholiccitizens.org/press/contentview.asp?c=38359
This includes many quotes and organizations that these people represent (conferences, speaking engagements, etc)
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Mimi
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Just this morning I was listening to the Fri, Feb. 22 edition of the Open Line Show with Colin Donovan. A Catholic called in who needed clarification on the heierarchy and wanted to know if his bishop’s teaching was orthodox or not. Donovan responded that (paraphrasing) “Even if all the bishops in the world came together and said something different than the Pope (and the Pope’s teaching was according to Church teaching), we would have to follow the Pope, and not the bishops.” Check it out for yourself, it’s in the first 20 minutes of the show. Go to www.ewtn.com and click on radio, then scroll down to Open Line, Friday.
In Christ,
Mimi
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Mimi
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Perhaps then you could offer some advice to me - seriously!
Our parish is holding a mini-retreat next Sunday, March 4. It was announced in today’s bulletin, Feb. 25, that Sr. Joan Chittister would be speaking on video. She is an advocate of women priests, a well-known dissenter, writes for the Nat’l Catholic Reporter. I am NOT pleased that this would be allowed in our parish and am afraid our pastor has caved in to pressure from our pastoral associates, one a nun and the other a lay woman with a degree in theology. I’m very much against these things infiltrating our historically orthodox parish.
I have already written our pastor and one other nun with whom I think may offer good advice as well as the head of our pro life group. I know of at least one parishioner who belongs to Call to Action. Sigh! I mentioned in my letter I may have to seriously consider changing parishes.
I may start a new thread about this as well.
In Christ,
Mimi
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