2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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kubark said:
Prediction: If Rick Perry is the Republican nominee, Barack Obama is reelected.
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Bold prediction.

I’ll counter with another bold one.

Regardless of the Republican nominee, Obama will be moving back to Chicago after his first term.
 
How about a Perry/Paul ticket for 2012? Or, lacking that, Perry/Romney?
 
Correct me if I am wrong but Paul couldn’t be Perry’s VP as they are both from the same state?
 
JMJSHJ said:
Correct me if I am wrong but Paul couldn’t be Perry’s VP as they are both from the same state?
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They can but they lose the electoral votes from that state, so they most likely wouldn’t. Technically Cheney was from Texas, but he changed it to Wyoming so they wouldn’t lose Texas.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
They can but they lose the electoral votes from that state, so they most likely wouldn’t. Technically Cheney was from Texas, but he changed it to Wyoming so they wouldn’t lose Texas.
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Why would they lose the electoral votes from that state?
 
estesbob said:
Paul would doom the ticket regardless of which end of it he was on
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Okay. Sort of like Palin, then. 🙂 I admire Palin, but I think State-Controlled Media has accomplished the hatchet job on her to the point that she would doom the ticket, too.
 
gilliam said:
Why would they lose the electoral votes from that state?
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THe way that President and VIce President are elected (Article 2, section 1) was modified by the 12th Amendment, although the wording seems to indicate that the President and Vice President are voted on independently. The language indicates that electors cannot cast their vote for a candidate from the same state, so it appears that the electoral college votes from the candidates state don’t count (?). There seems to be no constitutional change that indicates when the Pres and VP were conjoined on a single ticket. Maybe this was done as a form of electoral manipulation to get around this requirement, where the electoral college votes for a presidential candidate are actually captured by the VP, but go on the same “ticket”. However, if both the president and VP are from the same state, then you can’t get around this manipulatory move. It would invalidate the EC votes for that state. Considering the size of Texas and its number of EC votes (second to California), there is no way that the GOP would give up 34+ EC votes, ensuring the re-election of President Vacation.
 
Wolseley said:
Okay. Sort of like Palin, then. 🙂 I admire Palin, but I think State-Controlled Media has accomplished the hatchet job on her to the point that she would doom the ticket, too.
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The “State Controlled Media” would do a hatch job on ANY strong conservative Republican candidate.

What the “State Controlled Media” would approve would be another Republican candidate like John McCain, who the Democrats could easily beat.

The SCM / MSM / Drive-By Media want some wishy-washy, middle of the road, moderate. Someone like that who they could “respect” … and who they wouldn’t have to work too hard to defeat. Someone they could just ignore. Someone who would not ignite the folks at home. Someone who would bore the grass roots voters … Dole! McCain!

A Perry/Palin ticket would bring out all of Republicans and Independents … including the folks who insisted on staying home in the 2008 election.

A Perry/Palin ticket would be strong because it would have two governors on it.

A Perry/Palin ticket would also not have to spend a penny on campaign expenses … the MSM would do all their publicity for them.
 
If only Republicans would be less concerned about popularity contests and more concerned with nominating candidates that are consistently conservative - in both philosophy and voting records - perhaps we would see some real progress on social and economic issues. We are told that Rick Perry made Texas such a great place for business. That is debatable but there are more important considerations. For starters, how do you trust a “conservative” that was the Texas state chairman for Gore’s presidential campaign in 1988, before switching sides when it became politcally convenient? Rick Perry’s opportunism (along with that of flip-flopping Romney) should be a red flag. Then you have Rick Perry’s handling of the anti-groping TSA bill that recently failed to pass thru his own legislature even though there were more than enough votes to pass it. When faced with intimidation tactics from Obama’s justice department regarding the anti-groping TSA bill, Perry backed down. This outraged Constitution-loving conservatives and is one reason why so many conservative Texans view Perry as a failure. And then you have Rick Perry’s unconstitutional HPV vaccine mandate. And worst of all, Rick Perry appears to be a true believer in the interventionist foreign-policy of George W. Bush. It goes without saying, any Republican that is even remotely associated with George W. Bush during the 2012 campaign will have a hard time winning the general election. If anybody could give some reasons why Rick Perry is an ideal conservative candidate, I would love to hear them.
 
kubark said:
If only Republicans would be less concerned about popularity contests and more concerned with nominating candidates that are consistently conservative - in both philosophy and voting records - perhaps we would see some real progress on social and economic issues.
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I feel the same way sometimes about Democrats. I feel it helps if you run outside and scream “Why doesn’t the whole country just agree with me!!!”

I live in the country though, may want to be careful if you live in a city doing that very often you may get a visit.
 
kubark said:
If only Republicans would be less concerned about popularity contests and more concerned with nominating candidates that are consistently conservative - in both philosophy and voting records - perhaps we would see some real progress on social and economic issues. We are told that Rick Perry made Texas such a great place for business. That is debatable but there are more important considerations. For starters, how do you trust a “conservative” that was the Texas state chairman for Gore’s presidential campaign in 1988, before switching sides when it became politcally convenient? Rick Perry’s opportunism (along with that of flip-flopping Romney) should be a red flag. Then you have Rick Perry’s handling of the anti-groping TSA bill that recently failed to pass thru his own legislature even though there were more than enough votes to pass it. When faced with intimidation tactics from Obama’s justice department regarding the anti-groping TSA bill, Perry backed down. This outraged Constitution-loving conservatives and is one reason why so many conservative Texans view Perry as a failure. And then you have Rick Perry’s unconstitutional HPV vaccine mandate. And worst of all, Rick Perry appears to be a true believer in the interventionist foreign-policy of George W. Bush. It goes without saying, any Republican that is even remotely associated with George W. Bush during the 2012 campaign will have a hard time winning the general election. If anybody could give some reasons why Rick Perry is an ideal conservative candidate, I would love to hear them.
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So, without Perry, I guess it’s Palin/ Bachmann in 2012!

She doesn’t flip flop. And the MSM has gone wayyy overboard to invent calumnies about her.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
They can but they lose the electoral votes from that state, so they most likely wouldn’t. Technically Cheney was from Texas, but he changed it to Wyoming so they wouldn’t lose Texas.
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Really? Cheney was technically from Texas? He was born in Nebraska and raised primarily in Nebraska and Wyoming. He was elected to the House of Representatives from Wyoming. How was he technically from Texas? I’m not being snide or anything. It’s just something I’ve never been aware of.
 
Tsuwano said:
Really? Cheney was technically from Texas? He was born in Nebraska and raised primarily in Nebraska and Wyoming. He was elected to the House of Representatives from Wyoming. How was he technically from Texas? I’m not being snide or anything. It’s just something I’ve never been aware of.
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A few months before the election Cheney put his home in Dallas up for sale and changed his drivers’ license and voter registration back to Wyoming. This change was necessary to allow Texas’ presidential electors to vote for both Bush and Cheney without contravening the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbids electors from voting for someone from their own state for both President and Vice-President.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
 
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