2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

[Big_Ro]

Republican political insiders AKA old guard repubs that want to maintain the same old, same old. Which is why they like Romney.

I won’t argue with your characterization. In fact, if you read the article, it’s pretty much the way they’re described. However, I think its important to recognize that these are also the big money donors. I don’t know if you’re aware of it or not but the heavy hitters that made GWB a record breaking fundraiser have largely stayed out of the current nomination process. One report shows that less than one in five has donated. People voting with their dollars is a very strong indicator of whom they think the winner will be. So, by that measure, they don’t see a clear winner. This, of course, can and probably will change very rapidly.

 

[estesbob]

It says “Who would you vote for?” To be excruciatingly precise, it should ask: “If you intend to vote in the Republican primary, for whom would you vote”?

If you want to be accurate.

Heres the heading for the poll:

**Who would you vote for as the Republican Nominee? **

 

[RACJ]

So, how are those big government “compassionate conservative” “I violated free market principles to save the free market” domestic policies working out? You can’t just blame Democrats for the 14 trillion in debt.

Exactly. But conservatives opposed Bush's spending. Remember that the odious TARP was first defeated. But the fix was in. Obama has now exceeded Bush's reckless spending, and has made him seem like a thrifty Boy Scout, heaping another $5T (!!!) in more non-repayable debt on future generations. Our economic system may be in ruins already. Another four years will mean death for America. :cool: Rob

 

[Raskolnikov]

Oh, and let me comment on Ron Paul. I admire his position on various foreign policy matters. Keep out of unnecessary wars, which have been a major factor in leading to our current fiscal crisis. The Iraq debacle was especially stupid. And we will be facing the consequences of this gigantic mistake for years to come.

But when it comes to some domestic isses, Paul is a near-anarchist. I salute the way he stands by principle, but don't agree with many of those principles.

 PS He has been one of a tiny handful in Congress who have had the commendable courage and common sense to vote against our continual bowing before Israel. Most of those in Congress are afraid to buck the powerful Israel lobby. Unfortunately, most Americans have been brainwashed by the media or by evangelical preachers to do Israel's bidding, no matter what. We would help the cause of justice - and alsom ironically, help Israel gain peace and security - if we forced her to move those illegal settlers which keep building more and more villages on the West Bank. Talk about the separation of church and state! Some of those who are loudest in demanding the separation here in the US use our tax money to violate its principles over there.

I very much agree with you. I find some of Paul’s positions problematic, but he’s smart, he thinks for himself, and his foreign policy positions are much better than any alternative, so he’s still one of my favorite people in Washington.

 

[estesbob]

I very much agree with you. I find some of Paul’s positions problematic, but he’s smart, he thinks for himself, and his foreign policy positions are much better than any alternative, so he’s still one of my favorite people in Washington.

And the reason he can have such outspoken postions is that he does not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination

 

[Big_Ro]

And the reason he can have such outspoken postions is that he does not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination

 

[Cider]

Heres the heading for the poll:

**Who would you vote for as the Republican Nominee? **

It should be obvious that you must either live in a state with an open primary or be registered as a Republican. If not, the thread does not apply to you.

 

[Cider]

Arguing over Ron Paul is like the Dems arguing over Kucinich, neither one will win their parties primary regardless of of their fan base.

 

[rlg94086]

It says “Who would you vote for?” To be excruciatingly precise, it should ask: “If you intend to vote in the Republican primary, for whom would you vote”?

If you want to be accurate.

You are being ridiculous. Reasonable people would see a poll for “Republican Presidential Nomination” and infer that the poll is asking Republican voters whom they support. [edit add…or, as someone pointed out, those in an open primary state]

When you create a similar thread, I expect complete accuracy in legalese.

 

[RACJ]

Easier to note those I definitely would NOT vote for. These are Bachman, Palin, Santorum, Gingrich and Guiliani. None of the rest impress me much, either.

Just curious, Roy. Why wouldn’t you vote for Palin? IMO, she is the only one who possesses the wiles and courage to steer the Ship of State away from the iceberg. Rob

 

[rlg94086]

Arguing over Ron Paul is like the Dems arguing over Kucinich, neither one will win their parties primary regardless of of their fan base.

Go Nader!

 

[Cider]

Go Nader!

Maybe he will run and drain some of those Obama supporters votes.

 

[StevenFrancis]

I voted for palin as well, knowing full well that she might not get the bomination, for several reasons.

But I also love moose stew

I also wonder if anybody would dare to put up a poll for 2012 Democrat Presidential Nominations? Like it or not, many Catholics will vote for a Democrat, under the concept of “The Lesser Of Two Evils”. :sad_yes:

But to put up such a poll, much less vote in it, would invite all sorts of malicious, very uncharitable, attacks. So they remain silent, silently vote anti-War, anto-poverty Democratic, and silently avoid this forum.:coffeeread:

There is only one name on this list that could even be twisted and turned in some way to make it seem like the current administration was the lesser of two evils. (No, I won’t reveal who that is, sorry). With the current Prez and admin, that argument simply isn’t going fly against ANY serious Republican, Tea Party, or Constitution Party eventual candidate for Catholics. The current President has an anti-Catholic, anti-Orthodoxy record which is absolutely astounding. It will be very interesting this time when we get down to the wire to hear some of the justifications that a serious Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, Conservative Christian, Muslim etc. would even try to make in a public forum. There is no valid ammo for this group that will work on a genuine level against any of the major contenders. There simply isn’t.

The rub is that a huge percentage of Catholics are essentially brainwashed by “social justice” over virtually every other doctrine of the Church. a large bunch of Catholics are really secular, being Catholic only by culture or upbringing. Like we speak of cultural Jewish folks who would call themselves Jewish, but have only been to synagogue for weddings and funerals, and perhaps a bar-mitzvah. Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are, and they’ll find some sort of disingenuous reason for the culturally hypnotized Catholic to grab onto and make them believe in some way that it’s morally or ethically acceptable to re-elect this administration. It will be laughable to the orthodox believer, but sadly, most will take the poison. At the core, it is because they don’t want to risk a turn toward moral conservatism in this country, which the culture finds abhorrent.

Ah well,

so it begins,

God bless us all, and grant us all the peace of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[Big_Ro]

The rub is that a huge percentage of Catholics are essentially brainwashed by “social justice” over virtually every other doctrine of the Church. a large bunch of Catholics are really secular, being Catholic only by culture or upbringing. Like we speak of cultural Jewish folks who would call themselves Jewish, but have only been to synagogue for weddings and funerals, and perhaps a bar-mitzvah. Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are, and they’ll find some sort of disingenuous reason for the culturally hypnotized Catholic to grab onto and make them believe in some way that it’s morally or ethically acceptable to re-elect this administration. It will be laughable to the orthodox believer, but sadly, most will take the poison. At the core, it is because they don’t want to risk a turn toward moral conservatism in this country, which the culture finds abhorrent.

Ah well,

so it begins,

God bless us all, and grant us all the peace of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

Hell SF. I’m not as familiar with your frame of mind as I am with others. Can you help me to understand because some of your terminology is confusing to me? Your statement that some Catholics have been “brainwashed” in to holding Catholic Social Teaching over other doctrines. Can you illucidate which doctrines you are referring to? You also mentioned “Orthodox” beliver. Are you referring to eastern Orthodox versus Roman Catholic?

when you say, “Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are”, are you referring to leaders of the Catholic Church or political leaders? I think you mean political/governmental leaders, but I want to be sure.

Clarification respectfully requested.

 

[Raskolnikov]

And the reason he can have such outspoken postions is that he does not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination

Whether or not one is right though does not depend on the size of one’s following.

 

[estesbob]

Whether or not one is right though does not depend on the size of one’s following.

But winning elections does

 

[Big_Ro]

But winning elections does

They’re making it easy for you Bob.

 

[qui_est_ce]

There is only one name on this list that could even be twisted and turned in some way to make it seem like the current administration was the lesser of two evils. (No, I won’t reveal who that is, sorry). With the current Prez and admin, that argument simply isn’t going fly against ANY serious Republican, Tea Party, or Constitution Party eventual candidate for Catholics. The current President has an anti-Catholic, anti-Orthodoxy record which is absolutely astounding. It will be very interesting this time when we get down to the wire to hear some of the justifications that a serious Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, Conservative Christian, Muslim etc. would even try to make in a public forum. There is no valid ammo for this group that will work on a genuine level against any of the major contenders. There simply isn’t.

The rub is that a huge percentage of Catholics are essentially brainwashed by “social justice” over virtually every other doctrine of the Church. a large bunch of Catholics are really secular, being Catholic only by culture or upbringing. Like we speak of cultural Jewish folks who would call themselves Jewish, but have only been to synagogue for weddings and funerals, and perhaps a bar-mitzvah. Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are, and they’ll find some sort of disingenuous reason for the culturally hypnotized Catholic to grab onto and make them believe in some way that it’s morally or ethically acceptable to re-elect this administration. It will be laughable to the orthodox believer, but sadly, most will take the poison. At the core, it is because they don’t want to risk a turn toward moral conservatism in this country, which the culture finds abhorrent.

Ah well,

so it begins,

God bless us all, and grant us all the peace of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

This is a great post. Thanks for taking the time.

 

[Margielou]

I would vote for Sarah Palin if she chooses to run for President of the United States.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hell SF. I’m not as familiar with your frame of mind as I am with others. Can you help me to understand because some of your terminology is confusing to me? Your statement that some Catholics have been “brainwashed” in to holding Catholic Social Teaching over other doctrines. Can you illucidate which doctrines you are referring to? You also mentioned “Orthodox” beliver. Are you referring to eastern Orthodox versus Roman Catholic?

An orthodox Catholic is one who tries to follow ALL the teachings of the Church, like mandatory Sunday mass.

when you say, “Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are”, are you referring to leaders of the Catholic Church or political leaders? I think you mean political/governmental leaders, but I want to be sure.

ALL Catholics, be they clery, laity, or politicians. You have to admit there are many self-proclaimed Catholic politicians who are pro-choice.

Clarification respectfully requested.

I think what he is talking about are people who self-identify as Catholic, but don’t really go to church. When a poll is taken, they asked what religion they are and say they’re Catholic.

My daughter considers herself Catholic. She’s in college, and hardly ever goes to church.