2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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Hell SF. I’m not as familiar with your frame of mind as I am with others. Can you help me to understand because some of your terminology is confusing to me? Your statement that some Catholics have been “brainwashed” in to holding Catholic Social Teaching over other doctrines. Can you illucidate which doctrines you are referring to? You also mentioned “Orthodox” beliver. Are you referring to eastern Orthodox versus Roman Catholic?

when you say, “Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are”, are you referring to leaders of the Catholic Church or political leaders? I think you mean political/governmental leaders, but I want to be sure.

Clarification respectfully requested.
Way too many catholics have been led to believe there is a moral equivalence between supporting abortion and political differences over the best way to adress other social problems facing the country such as poverty, immigration , capital punishment etc. No issue or combination of issues trumps abortion. Without the right to life all other rights are meaningless. Thus you can not vote for a pro-abortion canidate no matter how right you think he may be on the other issues. The exception to this is when his opponent is more pro-abortion than he is. For intance in 2008 one canidate supported unrestricted taxpayer funded abortions on demand. The other supported abortions in cases a rape and incest only. A Catholic could have voted for the latter(but was not required to) but could not have voted for the former
 
There is only one name on this list that could even be twisted and turned in some way to make it seem like the current administration was the lesser of two evils. (No, I won’t reveal who that is, sorry). With the current Prez and admin, that argument simply isn’t going fly against ANY serious Republican, Tea Party, or Constitution Party eventual candidate for Catholics. The current President has an anti-Catholic, anti-Orthodoxy record which is absolutely astounding. It will be very interesting this time when we get down to the wire to hear some of the justifications that a serious Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, Conservative Christian, Muslim etc. would even try to make in a public forum. There is no valid ammo for this group that will work on a genuine level against any of the major contenders. There simply isn’t.

The rub is that a huge percentage of Catholics are essentially brainwashed by “social justice” over virtually every other doctrine of the Church. a large bunch of Catholics are really secular, being Catholic only by culture or upbringing. Like we speak of cultural Jewish folks who would call themselves Jewish, but have only been to synagogue for weddings and funerals, and perhaps a bar-mitzvah. Unless all Catholics start believing and living their own faith, then the culture will continue to dictate who our leaders are, and they’ll find some sort of disingenuous reason for the culturally hypnotized Catholic to grab onto and make them believe in some way that it’s morally or ethically acceptable to re-elect this administration. It will be laughable to the orthodox believer, but sadly, most will take the poison. At the core, it is because they don’t want to risk a turn toward moral conservatism in this country, which the culture finds abhorrent.

Ah well,

so it begins,

God bless us all, and grant us all the peace of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
This is a terrible post. What a waste of time.:rolleyes:

As a Cultural Cradle Catholic, believe me, it sometimes takes a lot of tolerance and charity to put up with cultural Protestants who convert to the Church. Some can be so puritanical - no fun at all. 😦

But we love them anyway. 🙂

Ooops! I voted in the poll and I don’t think MA has open primaries…
 
This is a terrible post. What a waste of time.:rolleyes:

As a Cultural Cradle Catholic, believe me, it sometimes takes a lot of tolerance and charity to put up with cultural Protestants who convert to the Church. Some can be so puritanical - no fun at all. 😦

And some have a much firmer grasp of Church teaching than cradle Catholics do. That appears to be the case here.
 
This is a terrible post. What a waste of time.:rolleyes:

As a Cultural Cradle Catholic, believe me, it sometimes takes a lot of tolerance and charity to put up with cultural Protestants who convert to the Church. Some can be so puritanical - no fun at all. 😦

But we love them anyway. 🙂

Ooops! I voted in the poll and I don’t think MA has open primaries…
All your smilies do little to diminish the rudeness of this post.
 
It says “Who would you vote for?” To be excruciatingly precise, it should ask: “If you intend to vote in the Republican primary, for whom would you vote”?

If you want to be accurate.
I agree…

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.
-Sir Winston Churchill 🙂
 
This is a terrible post. What a waste of time.:rolleyes:

As a Cultural Cradle Catholic, believe me, it sometimes takes a lot of tolerance and charity to put up with cultural Protestants who convert to the Church. Some can be so puritanical - no fun at all. 😦

But we love them anyway. 🙂

Ooops! I voted in the poll and I don’t think MA has open primaries…
California has open primaries, but I have registered Libertarian:tiphat:
 
Is that your way of saying a non practicing Catholic?

I’ve never heard of a Cultural Cradle Catholic.
I believe it is similar to Cafeteria Catholic - someone who is Catholic by Baptism and whose family culture is Catholic, but they have no use for the actual teaching of the Church. I could be wrong, but the only time I’ve heard “Cultural Catholic” it is to distinguish from a practicing Catholic.
 
I believe it is similar to Cafeteria Catholic - someone who is Catholic by Baptism and whose family culture is Catholic, but they have no use for the actual teaching of the Church. I could be wrong, but the only time I’ve heard “Cultural Catholic” it is to distinguish from a practicing Catholic.
Seems like an oxymoron. A “Cradle Catholic” implies born, but not lapsed, Catholic. A “Cultural Catholic” implies a born, but lapsed (non-practicing), Catholic. Cafeteria Catholic is an oxymoron as well, as it implies that to be Catholic one can pick & choose matters of dogmatic faith & morals.
 
Seems like an oxymoron. A “Cradle Catholic” implies born, but not lapsed, Catholic. A “Cultural Catholic” implies a born, but lapsed (non-practicing), Catholic.
I know. 🤷 That’s why I did the best to unpack it that I could.
 
I seem to have derailed this thread!

Maybe you should all go back to talking about the candidates and not me, since the last time I looked, I wasn’t running in a GOP primary. :hmmm:
 
I seem to have derailed this thread!

Maybe you should all go back to talking about the candidates and not me, since the last time I looked, I wasn’t running in a GOP primary. :hmmm:
I dont want to hurt your feelings Bella but if you did I wouldnt vote for you.🙂
 
I think that is a code word for “Democrat”😉
“Cradle Catholic” means someone who was raised Catholic. I would think people here would know that. Sometimes practicing Catholics describe themselves as ‘cradle catholics’ as opposed to people who converted from another religion. This appears to be what bellasbane was saying here, juxtsposing ‘cradle Catholics’ to protestants.

Bellasbane may speak for herself though. If you, estesbob and SamH prefer, you may go on speculating as you please.
 
I’m still waiting for Charlie Sheen to announce his bid for the nomination. He’d have my vote for sure.

If he were in this pull, I bet he’d be bi-winning. 😛 How’s that for a topical post?
 
I’m still waiting for Charlie Sheen to announce his bid for the nomination. He’d have my vote for sure.

If he were in this pull, I bet he’d be bi-winning. 😛 How’s that for a topical post?
With Lindsey Lohan as his running mate?
 
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