2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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This Gardasil issue is a real record problem for Governor Perry and it is smart of him to call it a mistake early on:
His third question from the crowd was about an issue that his critics have touched on — his 2007 mandate for girls to get vaccinated against the cervical cancer-causing HPV virus.

“I signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the matter is I didn’t do my research well enough to understand that we needed to have a substantial conversation with our citizenry,” he said. “I hate cancer. Let me tell you, as a son who has a mother and father who are both cancer survivors.”

Perry said he’d invested government resources in cancer cures, adding, “I hate cancer. And this HPV, we were seeing young ladies die at the early age. What we should have done was a program that frankly should have allowed them to opt in, or some type of program like that, but here’s what I learned — when you get too far out in front of the parade they will let you know. And that’s exactly what our legislature did…

nationalreview.com/corner/274665/perry-and-girls-kathryn-jean-lopez
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This probably deserves its own thread. Started one here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=589629
 
I wouldn’t exactly mind Rick Perry being President (and I said before that I like Romney at least as an individual), but does anyone think that there is any chance for Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich (both of whom are Catholics in good standing. It’s too bad that the hitherto-Catholic Pawlenty apparently caved in to his wife and became a Baptist like her ) to be at least the vice-presidential nominee?
 
Young_Thinker said:
I wouldn’t exactly mind Rick Perry being President (and I said before that I like Romney at least as an individual), but does anyone think that there is any chance for Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich (both of whom are Catholics in good standing. It’s too bad that the hitherto-Catholic Pawlenty apparently caved in to his wife and became a Baptist like her ) to be at least the vice-presidential nominee?
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I think it’s premature to speculate on Veep choices. The choice is usually a combination of compatibility, complementarity, broadening voter appeal and grooming of future presidential candidate. A lot depends on the chosen presidential nominee.
 
rlg94086 said:
I think it’s premature to speculate on Veep choices. The choice is usually a combination of compatibility, complementarity, broadening voter appeal and grooming of future presidential candidate. A lot depends on the chosen presidential nominee.
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That’s very true.
 
Rick Perry will be the nominee. So, its not too early to start speculating who might make a good sidekick. Romney has already publically speculated as to whom he might consider. Very bad form.

Newt is simply a horrible choice for any candidate. He’s a loose cannon. He says things that are at odds with his statements sometimes within the same sentence. I don’t see him being able to stay on message which is a big part of what a VP candidate has to do. Further, he is a fellow southerner so he provides no real balance to the Perry ticket. this si the fundemental problem with Newt, he has no natural constituency. He is liked very little by Georgians. He is a favorite of the neither the establishment nor the Tea Party. He is not liked by those in Congress even when he was Speaker.

Forget Rubio and Christie. Neither is interested in playing second fiddle. Santorum does provide some balance geographically but he’s about as big a social conservative as Perry. So, he really doesn’t help to broaden the base.

Assuming you have to choose from among the also rans currently in the race, Huntsman or Pawlenty are suitable. Huntsman because he brings that calm. By the end of the Republican nominating pocess, a meme will have taken hold that Perry is a bit of a wildman. You read it here first. Huntsman could balance that out. He’s also froma western state so he also provides a bit of geographic balance as well. Pawlenty also brings some less than crazy to the ticket and he’s from Michighan so it’s also a geographic balance. However, Pawlenty said he would absolutely not consider it. I don’t think he’ll change his mind but its the only way he’ll ever have an office in th White House.
 
I think a look at US Rep Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) is worth the time. He’s hispanic. Born in Puerto Rico which makes him a natural born citizen. He’s a Tea Party favorite. Idaho is a deep red state even though it has few electoral votes. He balances the ticket geographically. Labrador was also a key player in the Debt Ceiling debate and would give Perry serious cred amongst the House Tea Party caucus. I’d call him my early favorite for the Veep sweepstakes.
 
gilliam said:
I’m sure the other major houses will be polling post Iowa Straw Poll surveys soon. You can compare polls here:
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
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Yup, I go there all the time. In general though, I think these polls aren’t really very good indicators of what might or might not happen in 2012. Too far out. It’s interesting and certainly provides us with a good progression but the polls aren’t a good indicator until next summer or certainly not until after it finally becomes clear to everyone else (its been clear to me for nearly two months now) that Perry is the nominee.
 
PRINCETON, NJ – Newly announced presidential candidate Rick Perry and Iowa Straw Poll winner Michele Bachmann generate more intensely positive reactions from Republicans who know them than does front-runner Mitt Romney. Georgia businessman Herman Cain, who finished fifth in the Iowa Straw Poll, has more intense followers than any of these three.
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The race for the Republican nomination underwent a number of significant changes over the last week, with Texas Gov. Perry officially joining the race on the same Saturday that Minnesota Rep. Bachmann won the straw poll. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty then dropped out of the race on Sunday. All of the major announced candidates except Perry also participated in a nationally televised debate in Iowa on Thursday night.

Perry maintains his strong position among Republicans nationwide in Gallup’s Aug. 1-14 tracking of the GOP candidates. His Positive Intensity Score of 23 is second only to Cain’s (25), and slightly ahead of Bachmann’s (20). Romney – the presumptive front-runner, given his usual first-place standing in GOP nomination preference polls and his fundraising advantage over the other candidates – has a lower Positive Intensity Score of 15, which is roughly what it has been since mid-June.

Perry’s recognition among Republicans is up slightly, to 59% from 54% in the last week, but he remains substantially less well-known than Bachmann and Romney, recognized by 81% and 86% of Republicans, respectively.

Lack of Positive Intensity Dooms Pawlenty, Challenges Rest of Announced Candidates

gallup.com/poll/149027/Perry-Bachmann-Generate-Positive-Intensity-Romney.aspx

For a governor of a state just getting into the race, Perry is sitting in a pretty good position.
 
gilliam said:
Michele Bachmann skipping Florida straw poll: t.co/b5SIGuH
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Just like she skipped the family reunion she claimed was the reason she was late to an event?

I kid. I like Michele, she’s not one of my top choices, but she would make a good President I think.

My top choices are: Ron Paul, Herman Cain, Jon Huntsman, Newt Gingrich.

I’m gonna throw Thad McCotter in the list of candidates I would really like to see elected just because he plays guitar and quoted Led Zeppelin on the floor of the House. 👍 Except this case it wasn’t the House of the Holies (bad Zeppelin joke).

I just read an article from Politico suggesting that the race isn’t settled. According to Politico Christie, Giuliani, Ryan, and Palin might get into the race. Other sources say Pataki or Bolton might join the race. Out of this list I think Palin and Christie won’t enter. Pataki might not just because he hasn’t been in politics for a while (but look at Newt). If Ryan enters, it could possibly be a game changer. My problem with Giuliani is that every sentence he says is “Noun/Verb/9-11.” Though I think I’d seriously consider supporting him if he were to run.

Too bad Christie would never get into this race. Maybe in 2016 if Obama wins a second term. He would be my candidate if he stepped into the race. Sorry, Ron, but Christie would get my vote in a heart beat.

I also like Bolton, though mainly because of his mustache. We need more Presidents with facial hair.

But seriously, we need to see and hear more of Thad McCotter… especially hear! youtube.com/watch?v=rNzjqFQ-1aM
 
Newt left two wives to live with a third woman, now his wife. As I recall he also was reprimanded and some sort of payment required by Congress .(Sorry, I forget the details.)
Personally, I don't see how anyone can support Newt. He is trying to hoodwink people with his new piety, etc., but let's not be fooled. I would even vote for Obama before Newt!
 
Roy5 said:
Newt left two wives to live with a third woman, now his wife. As I recall he also was reprimanded and some sort of payment required by Congress .(Sorry, I forget the details.)
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Personally, I don't see how anyone can support Newt. He is trying to hoodwink people with his new piety, etc., but let's not be fooled. I would even vote for Obama before Newt!
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Ah…Christian charity. So nice.

I’m not a Newt supporter, but calling someone’s conversion “hoodwinking” is a bit too crass for my tastes.
 
Roy5 said:
Newt left two wives to live with a third woman, now his wife. As I recall he also was reprimanded and some sort of payment required by Congress .(Sorry, I forget the details.)
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Personally, I don't see how anyone can support Newt. He is trying to hoodwink people with his new piety, etc., but let's not be fooled. I would even vote for Obama before Newt!
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I disagree. All of his baggage put aside, I find his conversion to Catholicism sincere, rather than a political stunt to get votes. I still don’t think I would vote for the guy, but it is for reasons other than what you’ve mentioned.
 
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