2016 Polls: Republican Candidate

[RGCheek]

Okay, here’s the thing, and I don’t know if it’s a trend or coincidence or whatever. But… in many states, at least it’s seemed this way in recent history - the party that loses the White House often gains the majority of governor’s mansions and state legislatures 2 years later. Seriously - I don’t know if it’s due to the base of the opposition being more fired up in the midterms or what, but it seems interesting.

For instance, Obama, for all his “pro-choice” stuff, has actually done more to mobilize pro-life groups than GWB ever did. More pro-life legislation has been passed at the state level during Obama’s tenure (and especially since 2011) than during the entire period from Roe v. Wade until Obama’s election. Seriously. Scott Walker would have never been elected governor of WI had Obama not won in 2008 - because people would have still been blaming the problems of the country on the GOP. The same goes for Christie in NJ, and even possibly Susana Martinez of NM, not to mention the governors of MI, NV, OH, IA, VA (the list goes on and on).

Now, I don’t know who I would prefer in the general election. Probably someone like Christie or Martinez - who stays true to issues about life and other non-negotiable moral issues, but on other items, notably budgetary issues, is willing to accept something that’s not necessarily perfect, but gives him/her much of what he/she wants.

“My way or the highway” (Obama & Bush & most Dems and GOPers) has gotten us nowhere. This garbage of the party that wins the Presidency and/or House and/or Senate punishing the minority party has got to stop. It’s part of the reason why we’re in the mess we’re in - both parties seeking power for the sake of power and nothing else. I am a proud - a VERY proud independent. I vote for the person, who, at the time, I believe will be better for America as a whole. And I cannot stand either party. My political party is, and forever will be, the Catholic Church. My platform is, and forever will be, the Catechism and the Bible. Period. We are Catholics first, Americans second, husbands/wives/singles/priests/religious third. And we must always remember that.

I don’t agree with all of that (I would say Christian, then Catholic, then Father/husband, then American) but I agree with 90% of the rest of it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Judicial appointments are the critical issue, is that right? Then how do you essplain Blackmun, Burgher, Potter Stewart, Powell, all Republican appointments, voting for abortion in Roe v Wade in a 7-2 majority?

Republicans in office is no guarantee of a conservative appointment ESPECIALLY if the man in office is a RINO like Romney.

Judicial appointments are not the only thing, but they are extremely important. Going back to pre-Roe appointments tells you only that the presidents who appointed them didn’t have any reason to inquire what they would do in a case like Roe. Roe came out of “judicial nowhere”.

But if you look at the partial birth abortion case Gonzales vs Carhart, the differences are stark. EVERY Repub appointee voted to uphold bans on partial birth abortion. EVERY Dem appointee voted to overturn them. Not perfect, one can say, because Kennedy otherwise will not oppose abortion. But Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas will, whereas every Dem appointee will uphold abortion.

Had Barack Obama not won the presidency, Roe would probably already have been overturned. His election guaranteed that it would not be.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Okay, here’s the thing, and I don’t know if it’s a trend or coincidence or whatever. But… in many states, at least it’s seemed this way in recent history - the party that loses the White House often gains the majority of governor’s mansions and state legislatures 2 years later. Seriously - I don’t know if it’s due to the base of the opposition being more fired up in the midterms or what, but it seems interesting.

For instance, Obama, for all his “pro-choice” stuff, has actually done more to mobilize pro-life groups than GWB ever did. More pro-life legislation has been passed at the state level during Obama’s tenure (and especially since 2011) than during the entire period from Roe v. Wade until Obama’s election. Seriously. Scott Walker would have never been elected governor of WI had Obama not won in 2008 - because people would have still been blaming the problems of the country on the GOP. The same goes for Christie in NJ, and even possibly Susana Martinez of NM, not to mention the governors of MI, NV, OH, IA, VA (the list goes on and on).

Now, I don’t know who I would prefer in the general election. Probably someone like Christie or Martinez - who stays true to issues about life and other non-negotiable moral issues, but on other items, notably budgetary issues, is willing to accept something that’s not necessarily perfect, but gives him/her much of what he/she wants.

“My way or the highway” (Obama & Bush & most Dems and GOPers) has gotten us nowhere. This garbage of the party that wins the Presidency and/or House and/or Senate punishing the minority party has got to stop. It’s part of the reason why we’re in the mess we’re in - both parties seeking power for the sake of power and nothing else. I am a proud - a VERY proud independent. I vote for the person, who, at the time, I believe will be better for America as a whole. And I cannot stand either party. My political party is, and forever will be, the Catholic Church. My platform is, and forever will be, the Catechism and the Bible. Period. We are Catholics first, Americans second, husbands/wives/singles/priests/religious third. And we must always remember that.

More likely the state-level prolife legislation is due to an increased awareness over the years that one can actually do some things about it, as well as demographic changes in some places. Take, for example, partial birth abortion bans. Until Gonzales vs. Carhart, nobody knew you could do it and make it stick.

The Catholic Church is not a political party. One takes one’s beliefs and the teachings of the Church and applies them in the public square.

If one looks at the accomplishments against abortion and homosexual parody of marriage, they’re all by Repubs. In my state, for example, the Repubs enacted a 72 hour waiting period. Better than nothing. The Dem governor vetoed it, as any Democrat will. The Repub legislature then overrode his veto. That’s what’s going on out there. Obama didn’t create any of it, nor did the Dem party.

I’m not a Republican. I was a Democrat from birth. The party changed into a terrible instrument, but I didn’t go with it. So I’m just me. But I can still tell the difference between a good agenda and an evil one, and if one paid no attention to anything at all other than party platforms, one knows the Repub, while not perfect, is morally superior to that of the Dems. The Repub platform is prolife and the Dem platform is pro-abortion.

You can’t ignore things like those, and shouldn’t.

 

[Ridgerunner]

“My way or the highway” (Obama & Bush & most Dems and GOPers) has gotten us nowhere. .

Obama is certainly that way and a lot of the “libertarian wing” of the Repub party are as well. But it’s wrong to characterize Bush in that way. Remember, he even teamed up with Ted Kennedy for “No Child Left Behind”. He practically never vetoed anything, no matter how grotesque it was or who came up with it.

Even Iraq. He didn’t just attack it like Obama did in Libya. He went to Congress for a vote, and got it, including most Democrats.

Lots of the “uber conservatives” condemned Bush for not being “my way or the highway” enough.

 

[Ridgerunner]

For instance, Obama, for all his “pro-choice” stuff, has actually done more to mobilize pro-life groups than GWB ever did.

God, we are taught, brings good out of evil. Men don’t. The evil of men is just evil. One cannot justify voting for evil by saying it “all somehow turned out well in the end”. First of all, it didn’t “turn out well”. We have two abortion promoters on the Supreme Court that wouldn’t be there if Obama had not been elected. We have federal funding of abortion, which we did not have before Obama. We have promotion of homosexuality and homosexual marriage, which we did not have before Obama. We have executive orders protecting guys who want to appear at work dressed like women. We didn’t have that before Obama. Before Obama we didn’t have the HHS mandate requiring religious orders to provide abortifacient coverage for THEMSELVES.

We can’t anymore justify voting for evil by pointing to good we think has come out of it any more than we can justify supporting ISIS by saying “well, it did galvanize the Kurds, didn’t it?”

 

[RGCheek]

Had Barack Obama not won the presidency, Roe would probably already have been overturned. His election guaranteed that it would not be.

Neither of these assertions has any evidence and I think are completely untrue.

Abortion will end when Gay Marriage ends; when real conservatives throw off the yolk of liars who deceive them into putting the frauds in power where they work to keep conservative from rolling back the advances of Satanic cultural forces.

But this win wont come till after things get much worse. It will have to get bad enough that even half the partisans on both sides decide to face reality and do what needs to be done to fix what is broken. Combined with the demographic effects of those who love life flourishing while those who love lucre suffer and wither.

 

[RGCheek]

Romney is doing all the faux humility events as he preps to run for the nomination again.

washingtonpost.com/politics/cant-quit-mitt-friends-say-romney-feels-nudge-to-consider-a-2016-presidential-run/2014/10/13/2cb19d12-52ee-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html

Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee and now the tacit head of the Republican Party, visited Iowa as part of a feverish nationwide tour designed to help the GOP take control of the Senate. He has insisted that he is not interested in running for president a third time. But his friends said a flurry of behind-the-scenes activity is nudging him to more seriously consider it.
Romney has huddled with prominent donors and reconnected with supporters in key states in recent months. Because of the vacuum of power within his party and the lack of a clear 2016 front-runner, confidants said Romney is grappling with this question: If drafted, would he answer the party’s call?

Further juicing the speculation was a Des Moines Register-Bloomberg News poll released over the weekend showing that Romney is the only potential 2016 candidate who would beat Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) among likely Iowa voters, 44 percent to 43 percent.

More nonsense and lies; there hasn’t been nearly enough time for any valid candidates to familiarize the public with who they are or their positions on the issues.

Romney is going to run and if the GOP renominates this fraud I really think it will split the GOP as social conservatives leave the party.

 

[Crossbones]

Romney is doing all the faux humility events as he preps to run for the nomination again.

washingtonpost.com/politics/cant-quit-mitt-friends-say-romney-feels-nudge-to-consider-a-2016-presidential-run/2014/10/13/2cb19d12-52ee-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html

More nonsense and lies; there hasn’t been nearly enough time for any valid candidates to familiarize the public with who they are or their positions on the issues.

Romney is going to run and if the GOP renominates this fraud I really think it will split the GOP as social conservatives leave the party.

He won’t run and if he does, he will not get anywhere near the nomination. He lost to a President overseeing the worst economy in 70 years by a pretty decent margin. It doesn’t get that much worse than that.

 

[RGCheek]

He won’t run and if he does, he will not get anywhere near the nomination. He lost to a President overseeing the worst economy in 70 years by a pretty decent margin. It doesn’t get that much worse than that.

If the GOP elite decides to back him like they did last time, the RNC has the ability to make everyone else like it.

Instead I would vote for Santorum, Cruz, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Walker, Huckabee, almost anyone except for Romney, Hunt and Christie.

 

[Path_Finder]

I would vote for Chris Cristie without hesitation, he defunded planned parenthood, the right to life is my number one concern and I would not abandon a candidate who righteously is pro-life even if they could have some other flaws. I believe this is what the Church teaches and especially with regard to who would probably be the opposition. His wife is pro-life as well. I’m not positive that there has actually been a pro-life first lady. You would think so but I’ve heard differently. Oh, and he is Catholic as well.

It’s easy to find examples of the abortion industry disliking C. Cristie.

 

[RGCheek]

I would vote for Chris Cristie without hesitation, he defunded planned parenthood, the right to life is my number one concern and I would not abandon a candidate who righteously is pro-life even if they could have some other flaws. I believe this is what the Church teaches and especially with regard to who would probably be the opposition. His wife is pro-life as well. I’m not positive that there has actually been a pro-life first lady. You would think so but I’ve heard differently. Oh, and he is Catholic as well.

It’s easy to find examples of the abortion industry disliking C. Cristie.

Christie is anti-gun rights and I think helped Obama undermining Romney, in the last election which means he is not a loyal man.

While I don’t like Romney I wouldn’t betray my loyalties like Christie did, I don’t think.

Still, as a brother in Christ I would give him some credit were it not for that 2nd Amendment thingy.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Neither of these assertions has any evidence and I think are completely untrue.

Abortion will end when Gay Marriage ends; when real conservatives throw off the yolk of liars who deceive them into putting the frauds in power where they work to keep conservative from rolling back the advances of Satanic cultural forces.

But this win wont come till after things get much worse. It will have to get bad enough that even half the partisans on both sides decide to face reality and do what needs to be done to fix what is broken. Combined with the demographic effects of those who love life flourishing while those who love lucre suffer and wither.

Evidence? Bush appointed Roberts and Alito. Obama appointed Kagan and Sotomayor. One hardly needs more evidence that Repubs are more likely to appoint prolife justices than are Dems. But I feel confident you will find a way to ignore that as well as Gonzales vs. Carhart and all other things favorable to Repubs.

Abortion will not end, ever. What may well end is abortion on demand and taxpayer support of it. Possibly even legal abortion. To this point, you have not in any way demonstrated that Repubs in general are lying about being prolife. You just say it.

I have previously seen “purist” posters on here adopt, in effect, the Leninist phrase “the worse the better” by arguing that until things get much worse, there will not be a turnaround against the damage the Dem party is doing to this country. But as with Lenin’s outcome, sometimes it’s really “the worse, the far worse”. On cannot morally wish evil in order to bring about a good, especially when the good is speculative and/or based solely on one’s own prejudices.

 

[Path_Finder]

Christie is anti-gun rights and I think helped Obama undermining Romney, in the last election which means he is not a loyal man.

While I don’t like Romney I wouldn’t betray my loyalties like Christie did, I don’t think.

Still, as a brother in Christ I would give him some credit were it not for that 2nd Amendment thingy.

I said my primary interest is being pro-life even with Cristy’s flaws. Being pro-life in voting is one of the 5 non-negotiables and perhaps the most important one.

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For Catholic Voters, Pro-Life Issues are Not Negotiable**

lifenews.com/2013/07/01/gov-christie-vetoes-bill-funding-planned-parenthood-for-fifth-time/

Based on Church teachings, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Encyclicals of the Pope, and issue papers from the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith, the following five issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law.

stjoseph-marysville.org/faqnonnegotiables.html

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide. The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins.

So, to me, it’s not even a point of argument. I said I’d vote for Cristy with no hesitation with his flaws if he were the nominee of the party. This would be following Church teaching.

**Chris Christie Vetoes Planned Parenthood Funding Again
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lifenews.com/2012/06/30/chris-christie-vetoes-planned-parenthood-funding-again/

For the fourth time, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has vetoed a bill that would have sent taxpayer funding to the Planned Parenthood abortion business.

“I first want to thank you for acting on our Alert to urge the Governor to veto S788/A3204, the bill which would provide $7.5M in taxpayer funds to Planned Parenthood, Marie Tasy of New Jersey Right to Life said in an email message to members. “The Governor heard our message loud and clear! Just this afternoon, Governor Christie vetoed the bill, along with other supplemental bills passed last week.”

Governor Cristy’s actions were unfortunate after Hurricane Sandy, I’m not sure if malice was involved. He was dealing with a national emergency and parts of his state heavily destroyed.

On Fox News Sunday, Christie said, “When you look at what we’ve done in New Jersey, we want to control violence. Some of that may involve firearms, but a lot of it doesn’t.” He added, “In New Jersey, I’ve signed some of those measures. But I’ve also vetoed measures that I thought were overreaching and not consistent with Second Amendment rights.”

Christie talked about his efforts to curb violence springing from mental health issues, noting that incidents of mass violence sprang “almost exclusively with a deeply disturbed person at the helm.”

Christie: I’ll protect 2nd amendment rights

Again, if Church teaching places gun ownership as one of the 5 non-negotiables, I will revisit the issue. Some here from New Jersey or that area have said in the past, the gun-control measures were meant to curb violence. As it is, there are already some gun control laws in the USA. Having a libertarian streak in me, I don’t feel like I want to dictate how people in New Jersey or Baltimore Maryland follow the law.

Besides for all we know, this so-called “Bridge-gate” may frustrate Cristie’s aims to become a Presidential Candidate but if he was the Candidate against most if not all Candidates from the DNC, I would have no problem voting for him readily.

 

[Path_Finder]

Christie Veto Shuts Down Abortion Clinics in NJ

nationalreview.com/corner/247495/christie-veto-shuts-down-abortion-clinics-nj-daniel-foster

Part of Gov. Chris Christie’s belt-tightening plan for New Jersey was the termination of $7.5 million in public money for Planned Parenthood clinics in the state. But Democrats in the senate fought back, passing with a 30-10 majority a bill that reinstated the funding. That margin included several Republicans and was enough to be veto-proof. But when that veto actually came, Republicans wary of crossing Christie peeled off, and the measure failed 23-17.*

Governor Walker word is out, may well have trouble being reelected in Wisconsin. We need to support pro-life Politicians and that includes people like the New Jersey Governor.

Gov. Chris Christie forcing NJ Planned Parenthoods out of business

• Catholic Vote

Here, Cristie was protested by those FOR heavy gun regulations, this just happened over the Summer.

Chris Christie protested by gun control advocates in Connecticut

cbsnews.com/news/chris-christie-protested-by-gun-control-advocates-in-connecticut/

Less than three weeks after vetoing a gun control bill that would have limited ammunition magazine capacity to 10 rounds, Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J., probably expected some opposition while visiting the state where a 2012 mass shooting ignited the most sweeping political battle over gun control in decades.

Indeed, traveling to Connecticut to campaign for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Foley on Monday, Christie was met by almost 200 protesters. Many had ties to Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, where a mentally ill gunman got a hold of his mother’s AR-15-style Bushmaster rifle and two of her handguns and slaughtered 20 first-graders and six of their educators before taking his own life.

 

[RGCheek]

I said my primary interest is being pro-life even with Cristy’s flaws. Being pro-life in voting is one of the 5 non-negotiables and perhaps the most important one.

I place it a bit lower because I don’t expect anyone to change anything. It seems to be purely symbolic at the national level. States can regulate it to extinction, but then the federal courts can toss them all out as well.

Governor Cristy’s actions were unfortunate after Hurricane Sandy, I’m not sure if malice was involved. He was dealing with a national emergency and parts of his state heavily destroyed.

New Jersey destroyed? How could anyone tell?

Yes, NJ needed some help but I would have shied away from photo ops with the POTUS during the last couple of months of an election. Those really elevated Obama and seemed to suggest that all the GOP rhetoric was merely and only that; political rhetoric.

Again, if Church teaching places gun ownership as one of the 5 non-negotiables, I will revisit the issue. Some here from New Jersey or that area have said in the past, the gun-control measures were meant to curb violence. As it is, there are already some gun control laws in the USA. Having a libertarian streak in me, I don’t feel like I want to dictate how people in New Jersey or Baltimore Maryland follow the law.

If we could get federal reciprocity on concealed carry licences many of these issues would evaporate.

Besides for all we know, this so-called “Bridge-gate” may frustrate Cristie’s aims to become a Presidential Candidate but if he was the Candidate against most if not all Candidates from the DNC, I would have no problem voting for him readily.

Bridge-gate is phoney in the sense that it is a well known and used tactic to punish ones enemies at the state and local level by with holding services at crucial times that are inconvenient but pose little or no threat to life.

Christies people are hardly the first and not the last either.

IT also distracts from more key issues.

 

[Path_Finder]

I place it a bit lower because I don’t expect anyone to change anything. It seems to be purely symbolic at the national level. States can regulate it to extinction, but then the federal courts can toss them all out as well.

Glad you admit that you are declaring your own priorities however I don’t understand this as being Catholic teaching. At the least, now one is not following Catholic teaching. Let it be noted.

Also, plenty of abortion clinics have been closed down over the past few decades and past few years, recent closures are exactly because of legislation that the Federal Courts did NOT toss out. It is a battle from day to day, for people in the trenches, 24/7 and 365 days a year, those really concerned with the issue, they know this. I choose to help the cause for life when I am able.

Again, let’s make it clear that you would seem to be dismissing Catholic teaching while at the same time, appearing condescending towards those who have accomplishments at the State Level. Perhaps we should all read up on what States have accomplished and we should all be informed on the issue as that is close to repeating the old saw, “The States can do it but the Federal Courts will throw it out”, close to insinuating “what’s the purpose of even going through this”, hardly a pro-life stance.

New Jersey destroyed? How could anyone tell?

Yes, NJ needed some help but I would have shied away from photo ops with the POTUS during the last couple of months of an election. Those really elevated Obama and seemed to suggest that all the GOP rhetoric was merely and only that; political rhetoric.

This is somewhat judgmental. I have seen Republican Governors shake hands with President Obama and that was from areas where there wasn’t a declared public disaster area.

If we could get federal reciprocity on concealed carry licences many of these issues would evaporate.

Sounds like a Federal and not a State issue.

Bridge-gate is phoney in the sense that it is a well known and used tactic to punish ones enemies at the state and local level by with holding services at crucial times that are inconvenient but pose little or no threat to life.

Christies people are hardly the first and not the last either.

IT also distracts from more key issues.

 

[Path_Finder]

It is very clear a number of Conservatives like to say Cristie is not a Conservative, even that he should join the Democrat party. I do respect those points of view.

However for me, being Pro-Life is certainly going to trump virtually every other issue out there.

And I was just saying if Cristie wins the nomination to run for President, I will not abandon someone who has a fairly solid pro-life record which is to be lauded.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Governor Cristy’s actions were unfortunate after Hurricane Sandy, I’m not sure if malice was involved. He was dealing with a national emergency and parts of his state heavily destroyed.

Why were they unfortunate? Christie’s actions after Hurricane Sandy showed he is willing to acknowledge good across the aisle, something Obama and the Dems can’t bring themselves to do.

 

[Path_Finder]

Why were they unfortunate? Christie’s actions after Hurricane Sandy showed he is willing to acknowledge good across the aisle, something Obama and the Dems can’t bring themselves to do.

I’ll leave it that it has been debated before and can be debated again. There are certainly pros and cons to the issue.

Personally I do think C. Cristie is a very honest person, does not seem to be opportunistic. For a politician, actually pretty good. I do agree with the point that he seems much less partisan than some other Republicans might be. I do think he carries a lot of good will and sometimes we do have to be compromising. The problem nowadays is becoming that our country is so diverse between West Coast, East Coast, New England, Mid-Atlantic States, Southwest, South and so on per geographic divisions.

 

[Path_Finder]

Gov. Walker took on the Unions and the Abortion Industry, this is admirable but a big task to do. President Obama too has been polarizing I’d say.

We may need someone who can “reach across the aisle”, so much division in America. However a poll just came out that shows Gov. Cristie is doing so-so in approval in New Jersey currently.

The Rutgers-Eagleton Poll found that only 42 percent now approve of Christie, while 45 percent take an unfavorable view. Because a few voters think the governor is doing a good job while disliking him personally, 49 percent approve of his job performance and 46 percent disapprove.

The governor’s approval rating dropped 7 percentage points in two months.

Read more: upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/10/14/Poll-NJ-Gov-Christies-approval-rating-at-low-point/8201413300229/#ixzz3G8UZL89R

I’m not sure if he’d be my choice if a State Primary Election was held but I do think I could vote for him easily in a general election. He has also lost quite a bit of weight it has been reported.