2nd employee at Catholic school plans same-sex marriage; school CEO says she is welcome to stay [CC]

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My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
 
gracepoole said:
My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
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Yes, those situations also send the wrong message, and the same action should be taken in those circumstances.

It is not always as evident, in those circumstances, though. If a new teacher comes to town, one might never know that their current spouse is not their first spouse. And even if that became evident, it would not be immediately obvious as to whether the person received an annulment or not. With same sex partnerships, it is clear from the outset.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Yes, those situations also send the wrong message, and the same action should be taken in those circumstances.

It is not always as evident, in those circumstances, though. If a new teacher comes to town, one might never know that their current spouse is not their first spouse. And even if that became evident, it would not be immediately obvious as to whether the person received an annulment or not. With same sex partnerships, it is clear from the outset.
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I’m wondering what the legal limitations are for asking such questions in the hiring process. I know, for example, that an employer can’t ask a female potential hire if she is or plans to be pregnant. Can a Catholic school ask about a potential hire’s marriage situation?
 
gracepoole said:
I’m wondering what the legal limitations are for asking such questions in the hiring process. I know, for example, that an employer can’t ask a female potential hire if she is or plans to be pregnant. Can a Catholic school ask about a potential hire’s marriage situation?
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I’m not sure but I wouldn’t think so. They can ask the person to sign a morality clause stating that they will live by the Church’s moral teachings (including those on marriage). But I can’t see how they could prevent a teacher from lying and signing it anyway. Of course, if it came to light that the teacher had lied or otherwise broken the contract, that would be grounds for termination of employment.
 
universityprof said:
Please be advised, there have been many things far worse than same sex marriage that have happened in our Church by clergy and blind eyes have been turned by our own Church leadership.
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So since a wrong was incorrectly permitted to fester in the CHurch for al those many years we should do it again?🤷
 
gracepoole said:
My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
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We’re talking about so called “same sex marriage.” It is not marriage at all. We’re also talking about an agresive homosexual agenda that must be rejected completely.
 
Native_Texan said:
We’re talking about so called “same sex marriage.” It is not marriage at all. We’re also talking about an agresive homosexual agenda that must be rejected completely.
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Yeah…that didn’t really answer my question in any way.
 
gracepoole said:
My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
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Yes, heterosexuality can also produce a scandal that needs to be addressed. I do not think homosexuality would be such an issue if instead of stating one is out to change the Church (as this contractor did) one confessed the sin and renounced the evil of homosexuality.

This is one difference between other sin and homosexuality. The latter is too often triumphed as a choice, not a sin.
 
gracepoole said:
My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
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My personal view is that since Catholic schools have a great impact on a children’s formation, and are intended to do so, such schools ought to hire practicing Catholics who adhere to Church teachings. And if they do hire non-Catholics, there should be a clause in the employment contract that staff will not do anything to undermine Catholic teaching, either in their teaching or in their private life.

Actually, I think that hiring non-practicing Catholics is more problematic than hiring non-Catholics.
 
I agree with Jim. I would rather an agnostic teach than a non practising Catholic who is embarrassed of Church teaching on same sex marriage
 
Wondering if the bishop can do anything about this, I checked this school’s website to see if it is under the diocese. This school’s webpage says this school is an “independent” Catholic school, though approved by the diocese. The bishop has no part in its running; he isn’t even on the board of trustees. The bishop can protest, but they can choose to ignore him now–something that may have already happened. The bishop could say something to the media against this move, though, for what that would be worth.
 
gracepoole said:
My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?
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Yes.
 
pnewton said:
That is a matter of opinion. Leading kids to Hell is pretty serious in my book. Oh, and this “blind eye” statement is belied in every diocese that has taken drastic steps to stop all these “worse things”. What’s next? Bringing up the Inquisition to justify homosexuality?
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What? More serious than harming a child? This is the worst of the worst.
 
With the comments reportedly attributed to principal Sr. Mary Tracy as well as statements from Catholic priests who have praise the action of the protesting students, no wonder so many are confused. But here is an interesting interview of Mark Zmuda by Joyce Taylor.
king5.com/news/local/Extended-interview-Mark-Zmuda-239674261.html

1120 into the tape

Joyce Taylor: What do you want the Church to do? Do you want the Church to change?

Mr. Z: "Would I like the Church to change? Like I said, I am a humble person- for me to say that I would like the Catholic Church, who has been around for centuries to change their teaching, I can’t really say that I can. What I can, would I like for my specific situation to be different, of course.
 
gracepoole said:
Yeah…that didn’t really answer my question in any way.
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To answer your question, Catholic institutions behave as most employers behave, in that they don’t ask “do you do X, Y, Z (etc.) bad things” during the hiring process. As with most employers, they include the relevant language that they deem necessary in their employment contracts and employee handbooks regarding appropriate behavior and grounds for termination, and if it comes to light that a violation has taken place, they act.
 
I just find it interesting that while the students are protesting for the Church to change her teachings, School Staff and Catholic priests are praising the action of the protesting students, and the principal makes a statement that she can’t wait for the day when the church will allow a person to marry a person of the same sex, That Mark Zmuda says that he cannot say that he wants the Church to change her teaching. Why are some of our Catholic priests and nuns and educational staff afraid of standing up for the teachings of the Catholic Church?
 
universityprof said:
What? More serious than harming a child? This is the worst of the worst.
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No, it is not. The worst of the worst is being the stumbling block that leads a child to Hell, that is, if you believe what Jesus says. All the ills of this world combined are not worse that eternity spent separated from all hope.

FYI - The red herring of comparing everything to child abuse is so over-used that even the slowest here recognize it. Surely an educated person is capable of more logical thinking. It is a classic false dichotomy. The Church can both keep homosexual promotion out of its schools and at the same time take all the steps possible to reduce child abuse.
 
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