35 Million to Aid Tsunami Victims Is Not Enough?

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I am confused, maybe I am naive, but isn’t 35 million quite a bit of money? Also, it’s sending nine cargo planes, and 13 ships, and 900 Marines.
Why is The U.S being called selfish and non Christian for that amount of money?
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
I am confused, maybe I am naive, but isn’t 35 million quite a bit of money? Also, it’s sending nine cargo planes, and 13 ships, and 900 Marines.
Why is The U.S being called selfish and non Christian for that amount of money?
Because it’s the United Nations who is doing the name calling. Doesn’t that say it all?
Maybe we ought to force them (the U.N.) pay back all the BILLIONS of dollars they embezzelled from the Iraqi ‘oil for food program’ in order to help in the Asian Tsunami relief effort.
That ought to shed some light on who is being ‘selfish’.

Faithful One
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
I am confused, maybe I am naive, but isn’t 35 million quite a bit of money? Also, it’s sending nine cargo planes, and 13 ships, and 900 Marines.
Why is The U.S being called selfish and non Christian for that amount of money?
Sheer and utter hatred for our country and everything we do.

Dubya could concoct a cure for cancer and Aids and he still would be evil.
 
It’s sad Faithful, I was viewing CNN this morning. First it had an extensive report about this model who was hurt there. Really, I feel her pain but I really feel for the whole families which were wipped out and the grandmother who’s grandbaby was ripped from her arms.
Then, they go into this tyrade from viewers who felt The U.S is not a Christian nation by sending 35 million. Strange.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
It’s sad Faithful, I was viewing CNN this morning. …, they go into this tyrade from viewers who felt The U.S is not a Christian nation by sending 35 million. Strange.
Now you know why I only watch Fox News; CNN is still on my ‘don’t trust those guys, they have a hidden agenda’ list.

Faithful One
 
Faithful I am very sad people are using this tragedy as an excuse to bash countries. 😦 Humanity is evil.
 
Oh well, what is enough in such a situation?
Japan will give 40 Million Dollars, Germany will give 27 Million Dollars plus hospital planes and technical personal to help in the countries.

Werner
 
news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&u=/washpost/20041229/ts_washpost/a32337_2004dec28&printer=1
Still, the United Nations’ Egeland complained on Monday that each of the richest nations gives less than 1 percent of its gross national product for foreign assistance, and many give 0.1 percent. “It is beyond me why we are so stingy, really,” he told reporters.

Among the world’s two dozen wealthiest countries, the United States often is among the lowest in donors per capita for official development assistance worldwide, even though the totals are larger. According to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development of 30 wealthy nations, the United States gives the least – at 0.14 percent of its gross national product, compared with Norway, which gives the most at 0.92 percent.

Seriously, my mouth is hanging open over this Egeland “person”. I wonder if The U.N is pointing the finger to take the heat off it’self over the “Oil for Food” scam.
Again to get political and nasty during a natural disaster and horrible event is lower than low.
 
I listened to the comment that Mr. England made. He is not the UN, but is the emergency relief comissioner. He did not say the US was stingy about Tsunami relief. I can’t remember well enough to quote exactly what he said. But he never singled out the US, nor did he refer to the tsunami. He said that wealthy nations were more generous in the past, that they could do more in the present, and he did say that frankly in his opinion they were stingy.

Now, was there any truth in what he said? If a wealthy man gives 100 dollars he has given more than the poor one who gave 50 cents. But if that poor man gave his only 50 cents, went without his soup that evening, who is more generous?

In 1970 rich countries agreed to spend just 0.7 percent of their incomes on aid. Thirty-four years later, none of the G8 members have reached this target and many have not even set a timetable.

Dec 4, 2004:

A new report from international agency Oxfam today reveals that 45 million more children will die needlessly by 2015, because rich countries are failing to provide the necessary resources they promised to overcome poverty.

As a person who calls himself a Christian, I support the call for wealthy nations to honor committments made to help the poor. Life is sacred, and not just from conception to birth.
 

In 1970 rich countries agreed to spend just 0.7 percent of their incomes on aid. Thirty-four years later, none of the G8 members have reached this target and many have not even set a timetable.​

In 1970 The United States was not hit by hurricanes or was at war.
 

The Vietnam war was comming to an end.
This war now, is not.
There was more damage to Florida this hurricane season because more people are living on the coast.​

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Charley had Category 4 strength winds of at least 145 mph, leaving behind 15,000 homes destroyed and 40,000 others damaged, with thousands of business damaged or destroyed.

The price tag on the storm has hovered around $14 billion.
That’s from ONE storm.
sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/113004/tp1ch5.htm?date=113004&story=tp1ch5.htm

Ahem, ever heard about the Vietnam war?​

No, I never heard of it until you told me.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

The Vietnam war was comming to an end.
This war now, is not.
There was more damage to Florida this hurricane season because more people are living on the coast.​

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Charley had Category 4 strength winds of at least 145 mph, leaving behind 15,000 homes destroyed and 40,000 others damaged, with thousands of business damaged or destroyed.

The price tag on the storm has hovered around $14 billion.
That’s from ONE storm.
sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/113004/tp1ch5.htm?date=113004&story=tp1ch5.htm

Ahem, ever heard about the Vietnam war?​

No, I never heard of it until you told me.
Hmm, i thought the war in Iraq was already over…
Gosh, this was about long term spending, and the US governmant (like all the other goverments) did know very well that they need money for other things as well.
On the other side, what is 0.7%… just calculate what you would have to spend, it isn’t that much, really.
Sad that not a single one of the rich nations meets that…

Werner
 

Hmm, i thought the war in Iraq was already over…
Gosh, this was about long term spending, and the US governmant (like all the other goverments) did know very well that they need money for other things as well.
On the other side, what is 0.7%… just calculate what you would have to spend, it isn’t that much, really.
Sad that not a single one of the rich nations meets that…​

Ken, since when is The Iraq war over? This country is going to be there probably for the next 15-20 years.
As for needing money for other things, who can forcast 4 hurricanes in THIS country and one of the biggest natural disasters in history?
Finally, where is the breakdown of what others countries are sending? I would be curious to find out what France, Japan, and Canada are sending.
Also, are these news reports accounting for what individual citizens in certain countries are sending??
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Finally, where is the breakdown of what others countries are sending? I would be curious to find out what France, Japan, and Canada are sending.
Also, are these news reports accounting for what individual citizens in certain countries are sending??
I was watching CBC (Canadian) news last night, and their gov’t is currently planning on sending $4 million, and an additional $2.5 million in private donations. The U.S. has a population of 293,027,571, while Canada’s is 32,507,874. We’re roughly 9 times their size, and are sending roughly 9 times the amount of money that they are. Sounds right to me!

Has anyone seen any figures about how much individual citizens in the U.S. are sending?

And thank goodness for the willingness of our president to set the international community straight, though one doubts if they’ll change their tune.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
Finally, where is the breakdown of what others countries are sending? I would be curious to find out what France, Japan, and Canada are sending.
Also, are these news reports accounting for what individual citizens in certain countries are sending??
Japan sends 40 million $, everything included (governmental help only) with about half the population of the US, Germany sends 27 million $ (only mony, direct help like medication, specialists, hospital ships and planes not included, government help only) with about 1/3 of the population of the US.

This is not about bashing the US, but there really is no reason at all to feel like the US ist by far the most generous of all nations.

The US is giving much money, and the people in Asia will be happy to get it, that is all, no more, no less.

Any discussion “i am more generous than you are” is pretty cynical at that situation…

Werner
 
The UN said we’re selfish because the amount we’ve pledged, compared to our GDP, put us at the bottom of other rich countries.
 
Why don’t we take all of this energy that we are spending on arguing about who’s more generous than who and put it towards praying for the actual victims of this horrible disaster. This shouldn’t be a competition of who helped more or about who experienced the worst disasters this year. The fact is that we all should be helping in some way, (even if it’s just by offering up our prayers) instead of critisizing the others who are helping for not helping enough.
 
We should not be arguing about politics at this time. The best way to deal with the UN is to ignore them. We should not treat them as if they were relevant.

The real question is: WHERE CAN WE GIVE MORE ?

I am looking for a reliable (non-liberal) catholic group to donate to that will actually use the money responsibly and effectively.

Is Catholic Relief Services at catholicrelief.org/home.cfm a reliable place to donate money to?

Does anyone know of a more effective place?
 
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steve64:
… The best way to deal with the UN is to ignore them. We should not treat them as if they were relevant.
True, and I’m sure Geogre W. agrees with you.
The real question is: WHERE CAN WE GIVE MORE ?

I am looking for a reliable (non-liberal) catholic group to donate to that will actually use the money responsibly and effectively.

Does anyone know of a more effective place?
I give often through "World Vision Interntnl. ", a reputable and Christian organization.

quote by Werner;
This is not about bashing the US, but there really is no reason at all to feel like the US is not by far the most generous of all nations.
Actually, we are. And the ambassador of Sri Lanka seems very pleased with the stated amount and immediate actions taken by the US.

Just to set the record straight :
The $35 million we gave is only the INITIAL amount given. This is to cover for the basics of equipment and things initially & immediately needed beforehand JUST SO WE CAN ASSESS the situation.

In a massive relief effort an assessment must be made as to the extent of damage in each area; and a determination as to what exactly is required **BEFORE simply throwing money at a situation. **

The U.S. understands, having been through many massive relief efforts, that an effective appraisal of the situation beforehand is necessary for the money to be used effectively, and that this type of proceedure is necessary to prevent the $$'s from being siphoned off illegally by government officials etc, AS WAS THE CASE IN THE UN’s oil for food program in Iraq, mind you.
There are certain things that must be done to make sure that the money gets to those who really need it the most AND that the job actually gets done.

Faithful One
 
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