4-Year-Old Killed for Refusing to Call Mom's Lesbian Lover "Daddy"

[Mom_of_one]

Libero:

Yes it is rather grusome. But I maintain that being a lesbian has really got nothing to do with it. I could post just as many articles about heterosexuals who have abused children (and they would be just as sickening) believe me - there was an incident last week in Britain where a man raped an 11 year old girl in a supermarket toilet whilst her mum was shopping…

Other than that, we can see evidence in so many other instances which contradicts this “violent gay” idea - look at the situation in Ulster. Recently in N Ireland there have been a spate of attacks on gays yet no gays have fought back with violence for their “cause” in fact it has been quite the opposite…

It is imperitive that we do not try to claim that the orientation was connected to the murder in this case, because really it wasn’t - it has nothing to do with the fact the women were lesbians, just the fact that they were control freaks who snapped at the most pedantic little issues. It is sad, but let’s not read into the situation what isn’t there…

• • Also, why do neither of the other two reports pick up on the fact that the death was becuase the child refused to call the lover daddy? - -

I don’t give a rat’s patootie if lesbians did this, homosexual men did this, or if one or both of the members of a straight couple did this. It is wrong, horrible, evil to do what was done to this child!

 

[soulspeak23]

Mom of one:

I don’t give a rat’s patootie if lesbians did this, homosexual men did this, or if one or both of the members of a straight couple did this. It is wrong, horrible, evil to do what was done to this child!

Well said, Mom of One. That’s the true crux of the issue here. That violence was done to a child, regardless of who it was that did it.

 

[Libero]

Mom of one:

I don’t give a rat’s patootie if lesbians did this, homosexual men did this, or if one or both of the members of a straight couple did this. It is wrong, horrible, evil to do what was done to this child!

I agree with you, I do…

 

[bones_IV]

First off, in my experience the gay lifestyle is promoted and it deeply offends people of a Christian faith. Because the gay lifestyle offends God and its inhuman. I think we as a Catholics should reach to homosexuals but doesn’t mean we should embrace the gay culture nor does it negate the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Hate the sin, love sinner.

 

[Vanny]

I agree with everything Cecilia said in her post 100%.

Now of course, not all same sex parents are going to be violent against their child- but this is an unnatrual union to begin with-
and -let me say it- a lot of same sex and cohabitating unions are selfish adults thinking of themselves first- the child later.
I read somewhere that many children are killed or abused by a mothers boyfriend. Now of course- not all mothers boyfriends are going to be abusive to her children and some might be wonderful to the children- but by and large-these people have no interest in the child- biologically or otherwise- they are in the relationship and (often but not always) don’t care about the best interest of the child.
So a child gets irritating,annoying, throws temper tantrums, gets stubborn, as many 4 year olds do- and they (the adult) gets stretched. I once worked with a woman whose infant was severly injured by her live-in boyfriend. You see, she had a swing shift job so the boyfriend,( who had a day job) babysat her 3 children from a previous marriage in the evenngs while she worked. The baby got brain injuries like shaken baby syndrome one night while she was at work. The boyfriend said the baby fell in the tub-but law enforcement was suspicious.
I don’t know what happened as I changed jobs before he was charged with anything(if he was) but I’ve heard of these things on the news over and over. These people are not invested in the children as well as the lover(in most cases, yes I know there are exceptional cases before anyone says they know someones live in lover who is wonderful with the kids- well-I do too!)
When are we going to see the truth?
My heart aches for this child, who already had a daddy.

 

[bones_IV]

I think this article goes to show the consequences of same-sex unions.

 

[soulspeak23]

pira114:

While this may be true, don’t turn the focus away from where it belongs.

In this case, the disorder of being homosexual manifested itself in a very violent and evil way.

Let’s focus on what should be done to the piece of evil that did this to the innocent child. This is the perfect death penalty case. She does not deserve to live on the same earth as normal people. She does not deserve to breath our oxygen. If they would let me, I’d execute her myself.

I love this post. Really gets to the heart of the matter. You’re posting this in the culture of death category where you claim to fight for the right to life. However, you would be able to find it in your heart of hearts to murder another human being. So then, are you for abortion as well? Seems like the same thing. Killing is killing. Who are you to decide that this woman no longer has the right to breath “your” air? I am by no means defnding the acts of this woman, which i find truly horrifying. But you, nor I, have the right to decide if she lives or dies. Lock her up and throw away the key, by all means. But what will killing her accomplish? Blood on your hands. What do you think Jesus will say to that, come Judgement Day?

Also, violence and evil manifest themselves all over the place, not just in homosexuals.

 

[urban-hermit]

Libero:

If people want me to explain why I think the thread is silly - JUST ASK, no need to go off calling it heresy…

Are you for real? You say a thread about a child being beaten to death is silly, and then you get all sad and defensive when people get angry? Perhaps it’s wrong to respond with anger. But it is so very simple to see why they do. Are you really so mystified when they do? I’m trying to figure out if you are really that naive, or if you are purposely trying to get people angry to avoid the real subject: The plain reality that homosexuality is a path to death, in more ways than one.

 

[urban-hermit]

Libero:

…And if we actually think about why gays may use drugs and have issues etc. it becomes apparent, our societies shun gays, disriminating against them, … No wonder they shall abuse drugs if their lives are made so unbearable - these people are looking for a way out!!! …

What truly is interesting is if you look at the rates of drug abuse, suicide etc. among gays in countries that are far more accepting towards homosexuality (like Germany or the Czech Republic …) …You shall see a significant relationship.

Well I would be interested in actually seeing these statistics, and who gathered them and why. Statistics are not always pure unbiased science - i hope you realize that. Still, please post your statistics, if you can. I would be interested to see them.

I agree wholeheartedly that we should treat homosexuals with the respect they deserve as people. The catechism itself says they should not receive unjust discrimination.

However, here is the problem with your thesis that discrimination causes homosexuals to abuse drugs, etc:

If you go to New York City or San Francisco or Key West or any other place where gays tend to move to to establish what they think will be “safe havens” for themselves, you will see that drug abuse, suicide, psychological problems galore (not to mention AIDS) - all these things INCREASE, they do not get better.

This is because the practice of homosexuality itself is the main cause of these symptoms. I have lived in that lifestyle in the past for over 15 years, so I know first hand about it and am not forming my opinion based upon “statistics”.

 

[Liberalsaved]

LRThunder:

That is sick. If this is true, this is one of the reasons why I oppose gay or lesbian couples having any right to raise a child.

Remember, this has never ever happened with straight couples.

 

[Liberalsaved]

LRThunder:

Maybe, but one can never be certain how people like these think or act. They certainly don’t have any values or belief in family values.

That is really out there. You ever though about spending a little time among people who aren’t exactly like yourself?

Edit: read the next few posts. Does this mean you realize gays and lesbians aren’t that different from us?

 

[LRThunder]

Liberalsaved:

That is really out there. You ever though about spending a little time among people who aren’t exactly like yourself?

Edit: read the next few posts. Does this mean you realize gays and lesbians aren’t that different from us?

Yes, I realized that straight couples can act just as evilly toward children as this particular couple did.

 

[BlindSheep]

urban-hermit:

This is because the practice of homosexuality itself is the main cause of these symptoms. I have lived in that lifestyle in the past for over 15 years, so I know first hand about it and am not forming my opinion based upon “statistics”.

I just wanted to say thank you for posting. Your testimony carries more weight than those of us, on both sides of the argument, who are talking about this issue from the outside looking in. I’ve been a pagan and lived a promiscous lifestyle, and when I hear people refer to such things as “freedom” it makes me want to laugh, and makes me sick. People who have lived in the darkness and come out of it see through the lies of those who promote it. God bless you and I hope you’ll post more often!

 

[Libero]

bones_IV:

First off, in my experience the gay lifestyle is promoted and it deeply offends people of a Christian faith. Because the gay lifestyle offends God and its inhuman. I think we as a Catholics should reach to homosexuals but doesn’t mean we should embrace the gay culture nor does it negate the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Hate the sin, love sinner.

What is a gay who feels unloved supposed to reply to this?

Hate the Christianity love the Christian?

 

[Libero]

urban-hermit:

Are you for real? You say a thread about a child being beaten to death is silly, and then you get all sad and defensive when people get angry? Perhaps it’s wrong to respond with anger. But it is so very simple to see why they do. Are you really so mystified when they do? I’m trying to figure out if you are really that naive, or if you are purposely trying to get people angry to avoid the real subject: The plain reality that homosexuality is a path to death, in more ways than one.

Of course I am for real!!

Give me a positive outcome that shall be a consequence of this thread, of people complaining about homosexuality - again - and making links that simply are not there.

I am naive - yes… I was so naive for so long, and then when I saw the ‘truth’ about my church and fellow Christians I became so defensive and upset by the lack of love that it shocks people…

But I would also call anyone else who claims that the orientation has significant influence over this tragedy naive.

 

[Libero]

urban-hermit:

Are you for real? You say a thread about a child being beaten to death is silly, and then you get all sad and defensive when people get angry? Perhaps it’s wrong to respond with anger. But it is so very simple to see why they do. Are you really so mystified when they do? I’m trying to figure out if you are really that naive, or if you are purposely trying to get people angry to avoid the real subject: The plain reality that homosexuality is a path to death, in more ways than one.

This is one case. To take your words over all others truly would be naive. I reject the notion that the homosexual life leads to death for multiple reasons:

1. Define it? Nobody else has…
2. This ‘lifestyle’ you quote is made up - exaggerated and generalised, implanted onto all homosexuals.
3. Looking at other homosexuals who embrace their orientation I recognise that God certainly is in these people - people like Bishop Robinson, Dr John etc.
4. The “heterosexual lifestyle” can be just as lewd.

Note - I really will not tolerate anyone attacking Bishop Robinson, or any unecessarily mean comments!

 

[fix]

Libero:

What is a gay who feels unloved supposed to reply to this?

The person should try to grasp the fact their feelings are not the same as reality. They should accept that we each are sinners and our obligation is to repent and follow Christ.

Hate the Christianity love the Christian?

Makes no sense because Christianity is not evil. The “gay” culture is evil in fact the last Pope referred to it as a new ideology of evil.

 

[Libero]

urban-hermit:

Well I would be interested in actually seeing these statistics, and who gathered them and why. Statistics are not always pure unbiased science - i hope you realize that. Still, please post your statistics, if you can. I would be interested to see them.

I agree wholeheartedly that we should treat homosexuals with the respect they deserve as people. The catechism itself says they should not receive unjust discrimination.

However, here is the problem with your thesis that discrimination causes homosexuals to abuse drugs, etc:

If you go to New York City or San Francisco or Key West or any other place where gays tend to move to to establish what they think will be “safe havens” for themselves, you will see that drug abuse, suicide, psychological problems galore (not to mention AIDS) - all these things INCREASE, they do not get better.

This is because the practice of homosexuality itself is the main cause of these symptoms. I have lived in that lifestyle in the past for over 15 years, so I know first hand about it and am not forming my opinion based upon “statistics”.

I shall get some statistics for you - it will take a while

The second thing means very little. Alot of the drugs will be tried at the teenage years (before they can move to these safe havens) and therefore an addiction is established. Also, the places quoted are huge cities - they are not immune from discrimination - the threats are national and international…
About the AIDS - that is no longer a “gay disease” more heterosexuals than homosexuals have it now.

As for forging my opinions on statistics - is taking your word not just as naive? You are one person - who in the past experienced some bad points. Not only have you seen little on the global scale, it also sounds like you do not know much about the “lifestyle” today, also, you do sound like one who has come to despise what they once were, and because of it use your past to launch an even more deadly attack?

Note: None of my message is an attack (if I have presumed too much anywhere - tell me - - nicely - - all that is said here is done so in a friendly manner)

 

[Libero]

fix:

The person should try to grasp the fact their feelings are not the same as reality. They should accept that we each are sinners and our obligation is to repent and follow Christ.

Makes no sense because Christianity is not evil. The “gay” culture is evil in fact the last Pope referred to it as a new ideology of evil.

Look at it from their point of view… do you not see the hollowness of your own words?

“You are the people in an evil lifestyle not us”
“No you are”

Get me?

 

[fix]

Libero:

Look at it from their point of view… do you not see the hollowness of your own words?

“You are the people in an evil lifestyle not us”
“No you are”

Get me?

I said we are all sinners and all need to repent and follow Christ.

If you think a tree is an orange should I be condescending to you and humor you and pretend a tree is an orange so you “feel” good about it? If you think a tree is an orange and you refuse to accept reality the problem is not with me explaining the truth the problem is you refuse to accept the truth.