7 things to watch at the CNN Republican debate

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Love how Cristie said if we deported 11 million illegal aliens, that would mean 15.000 a day for 2 years. Still, all of the Latinos I know are heavily in for Trump for his knowledge and eloquent presentation. Same with the African Americans and others at work, they know foreign labor hurts the jobs of Americans.
 
Path_Finder said:
So how does Rubio’s experience pass Fiorina’s? What bills has Rubio passed? What about his high rate of absenteeism in congress?
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Last night I told my wife, “I like Rubio but he just seems to young and inexperienced for the job.” We already have someone in the job who is inexperienced and look what it got us.
 
Path_Finder said:
Love how Cristie said if we deported 11 million illegal aliens, that would mean 15.000 a day for 2 years. Still, all of the Latinos I know are heavily in for Trump for his knowledge and eloquent presentation. Same with the African Americans and others at work, they know foreign labor hurts the jobs of Americans.
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Yea I don’t know how Trump could ever get rid of 11 million people in 2 years. But it makes a good campaign promise towards the middle class.
 
gilliam said:
Any woman has an uphill battle convincing people she would make a good president. She has to walk a fine line of being feminine (but also a strong leader); managerial (but not coming across as bossy); and likable. Carly has a hard time with likable. So does Hillary by the way. Unfortunately a lot of people vote because they like a candidate. That is why the pollsters track favorables and unfavorables.
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There is a double standard here though. Nobody worries about men being “masculine” and “likable.” They called Margaret Thatcher the Iron Lady for a reason. She didn’t lose a lot of sleep over being liked. She lasted 11 years - and made enemies left and right to be sure. I don’t have a problem with Fiorina’s tone at all - I don’t care if she glares - she is not campaigning to be our mother. I find Clinton to be much colder in demeanor. This argument against Carly - personality - I think is a nonstarter.
 
Path_Finder said:
Love how Cristie said if we deported 11 million illegal aliens, that would mean 15.000 a day for 2 years. Still, all of the Latinos I know are heavily in for Trump for his knowledge and eloquent presentation. Same with the African Americans and others at work, they know foreign labor hurts the jobs of Americans.
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You know some pretty unique, forgiving Latinos - their national numbers are negative at around 70% or even higher toward Trump.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
There is a double standard here though. Nobody worries about men being “masculine” and “likable.” They called Margaret Thatcher the Iron Lady for a reason. She didn’t lose a lot of sleep over being liked. She lasted 11 years - and made enemies left and right to be sure.
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Of course there is a double standard! No one said there wasn’t and no one said life was fair either.
I don’t have a problem with Fiorina’s tone at all - I don’t care if she glares - she is not campaigning to be our mother.
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Many people do and will not vote for her because of that.
I find Clinton to be much colder in demeanor.
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Which is why Clinton is having a hard time. People don’t trust her.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
You know some pretty unique, forgiving Latinos - their national numbers are negative at around 70% or even higher toward Trump.
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Trump has gotten a lot of appeal across the spectrum, even traditional voting blocs for the Democrats.

And he’s already at 25% of African Americans, 1 out of 4, could go up. Immigration has hurt that community immensely.
 
gilliam said:
Last night I told my wife, “I like Rubio but he just seems to young and inexperienced for the job.” We already have someone in the job who is inexperienced and look what it got us.
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😃 Right off the bat I think a President Rubio would name a better Secretary of State than … Hillary Clinton … or John Kerry.

Trump had one good point when he was dinged for not knowing some Muslim leader trivia … he said he’d appoint " a good team …".

Trying to do too much by oneself is a problem Jimmy Carter seemed to have. The better Presidents and leaders do delegate to the best, most talented and trustworthy people they can find.

So Rubio (and several others in this field) would be OK per me til they proved otherwise.
 
In my circle of friends and acquaintances, more people are for Trump than everyone else combined and then some. A few are for Rand Paul, and I believe I know one each who plan to vote for Cruz and Rubio. And the candidate everyone seems to view most negatively is Jeb Bush.
 
Versus the race-card crowd, Trump has really swayed a lot of Hispanics:
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OPINION: Trump really could win Hispanic vote**
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As I watched the Donald Trump photo-op at the U.S.-Mexico border in Laredo, Texas, last week, where the 2016 election’s answer to P.T. Barnum backslapped grinning Mexican-American city officials, it occurred to me that news media commentators and political observers should stop mocking Trump’s claim that he will win the Hispanic vote.
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It could happen — not in the general election, but at least in the Republican primary.
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Hispanics for Trump. Imagine seeing those words on a bumper sticker. Given that the billionaire businessman exploded onto the political scene on June 16 with an anti-Mexico screed in which he accused our southern neighbor of “sending people that have lots of problems” who bring drugs and crime, and that he quickly became persona non grata with many Hispanics in the United States no matter what country their parents or grandparents came from, Trump would seem to have a steep hill to climb to earn a second look from America’s largest minority.
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mycentraljersey.com/story/opinion/2015/07/30/trump-really-win-hispanic-vote/30829919/
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Jeb Bush I thought actually was fairly good last night. That was the advantage of a 3 hour debate, in general you saw more of the person though Walker only had 3 questions and decidedly is floundering. The times for each candidate varied but the average time for all isn’t too bad.
 
Path_Finder said:
Trump has gotten a lot of appeal across the spectrum, even traditional voting blocs for the Democrats.

And he’s already at 25% of African Americans, 1 out of 4, could go up. Immigration has hurt that community immensely.
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washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/09/about-that-poll-showing-donald-trump-doing-well-with-black-voters/
Trump is cherry-picking, in order to make the case that his rhetoric isn’t hurting him and the party with non-white voters. Maybe, over the long run, it won’t. But this one poll doesn’t show that by itself.
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The numbers you quote are questionable - above link is a pretty detailed analysis of the data. Doesn’t show what Trump says it does.
 
One interesting bit of philosophy came out of the greater debate:

Rick Santorum (while not attacking another Republican CANDIDATE per Reagan’s “11th Commandment”) took issue with the party’s seeming exclusion of working class people.

**Rick Santorum Explains Everything That’s Wrong
With The GOP’s Worship Of Job Creators **
“Ninety percent of American workers don’t own a bar. They don’t own a business. They work for a living.”

huffingtonpost.com/entry/rick-santorum-job-creators_55fad842e4b00310edf5fecc
Santorum then told a story about what seemed to be the 2012 Republican National Convention.
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“I was at the convention four years ago, and on the signs – on all of the seats the night I spoke was a sign that said, ‘We built that,’ because Barack Obama had talked about how businesses didn’t build their own businesses,” he said.
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“Then we trotted out one small-business person after another for almost an hour that night talking about how they built their businesses. And that’s wonderful. But you know what we didn’t do? We didn’t bring one worker on that stage.”
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“How are you going to win, ladies and gentlemen?” Santorum said to the crowd. “How are we going to win if 90 percent of Americans don’t think we care at all?”
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Maybe Santorum is looking too far down the road at the General Election and not closely enough at what he must do to win the GOP primaries first. But it IS disingenuous for the GOP to not address a ripe potential constituency at a time when many have lost their jobs.

Many don’t know the depth of Santorum’s experiences in Foreign Policy either. I thought his scenario of what he’d do on day 1 as President was pretty good.

But it’s early in the Primary Season … and a lot of other things matter more than substance at this point I fear. 🤷
 
Path_Finder said:
Trump has gotten a lot of appeal across the spectrum, even traditional voting blocs for the Democrats.

And he’s already at 25% of African Americans, 1 out of 4, could go up. Immigration has hurt that community immensely.
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The man is so obnoxious and up his own “you-know-what”.

I hate the idea that Christians, any Christian, would like to reward such a publically un-Christlike individual with the position of POTUS.

He doesn’t deserve it. Simple as that. I find him to be odiously foul-mouthed, bigoted, sexist, racist, uncouth, big-headed, lacking in any humility and frankly disgusting to behold in every way.

When up against a lady of style and substance like Carly Fiorina or the young, dashing and charismatic Latin Rubio…how could anyone possibly choose Trump over them? Sheer madness. :eek:
 
Vouthon said:
The man is so obnoxious and up his own “you-know-what”.

I hate the idea that Christians, any Christian, would like to reward such a publically un-Christlike individual with the position of POTUS.

He doesn’t deserve it. Simple as that.
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👍 Thank you.
 
Path_Finder said:
Jeb Bush I thought actually was fairly good last night. That was the advantage of a 3 hour debate, in general you saw more of the person though Walker only had 3 questions and decidedly is floundering. The times for each candidate varied but the average time for all isn’t too bad.
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I was impressed by Bush too - I have really disliked him until last night. I like the way he is pushing back on Trump and staying in there. Trump is such a wild boar - he is bound to make his opponents look ineffectual. Refusal to act like a wild boar = timidity. It says more about the low standards of this country I think than anything particularly positive about Trump.
 
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