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Fatima-Crusader
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Why would God create humanity if He Had also created angles?, also why didnt we retain the state of original justice that adam had, ie living forever and knowlege
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Tis_Bearself
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This was covered in Lesson 1 of the Baltimore Catechism:
We do get to live forever. We will get whatever knowledge God thinks we need to have in God’s time.
Adam fell. Therefore we don’t retain the original state of Adam.
We do get to live forever. We will get whatever knowledge God thinks we need to have in God’s time.
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Bluebright
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God created us because he is so good that he would share that goodness, ie out of perfect charity. That’s sort of a simple explanation. What was said in the previous answer applies too.
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Fatima-Crusader
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But God has angels also, why did He want us?
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Fatima-Crusader
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Also why does God refuse to give the state of original justice to us for adams sin?
Tis_Bearself
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Angels do not have the same free will that we do. An angel chooses once and that’s it. We on the other hand get to choose God or reject God on a daily basis and also we can grow in holiness, which angels can’t. Angels are static. We can also do other things angels don’t do, like reproduce.
God has a plan and we don’t know all of it until he lets us know. Obviously his plan included angels, and it also included humans. God even made His Son a human, not an angel. So humans must be pretty important to God.
I’m not really following why you keep asking questions about “original justice” and Adam. I’ll let somebody else handle that one who might better understand what you’re asking and why you’re asking it.
God has a plan and we don’t know all of it until he lets us know. Obviously his plan included angels, and it also included humans. God even made His Son a human, not an angel. So humans must be pretty important to God.
I’m not really following why you keep asking questions about “original justice” and Adam. I’ll let somebody else handle that one who might better understand what you’re asking and why you’re asking it.
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DebCWil
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Fatima, It okay if you are not satisfied with the Baltimore Catichism answer.
The Baltimore Catichism was written at a time when there was a great influx of Catholic immigrants into the United States. Most were uneducated, but every devout. They wanted to pass their Faith to their children. The question/answer format worked well for instill the doctrines of Catholic formation into the children of practicing families.
I went to a public school. When I tried giving the same answers to non-believing classmates I was met with ridicule. That meant that even as early as the First Grade I had to consider carefully what I believed, and why I believed it.
The truth is that God loves us very much. Yes, He has His angels. I can’t really answer why he would make us when God is all powerful and thereful lacking in nothing except that God is by His very essenceh is Love.
Genesis tells us that God created us in His own image. What does that mean? I have been meditating lately on that very meaning. We are meant to love. We are also meant to create, At the end of each day’s creation, God looked at what He had created and saw that it was good. When He had created man, male and female, He looked back at all that He had created and saw that it was very good.
I once listened to a televangelist who asked the question, “What did Adam eat?” The answer that Adam and Eve ate a lie is totally in keeping with Catholic teaching. They ate the lie that they no longer needed to depend on God. Made in a State of sanctifying grace, they accepted the lie that they could be “like gods.” They lost trust in each other.They discovered that they were naked, which is also means vulnerable.
God promised a Savior even then. If we did not need God, there would have been no need for Christ to have died on the cross to restore our relationship with the Father. We need God’s grace to bridge the gap between the sacred and our own tendency to sin.
During a retreat that I attended, the same answer as to why God created flowers and birds was given. These beautify the earth and we find them delightful. God created them because He loves us. The answer always comes down to love.
No, God didn’t need to make us. He didn’t need to make us or created anything else in the world. He chose to because of His great love and for no other reason.
The Baltimore Catichism was written at a time when there was a great influx of Catholic immigrants into the United States. Most were uneducated, but every devout. They wanted to pass their Faith to their children. The question/answer format worked well for instill the doctrines of Catholic formation into the children of practicing families.
I went to a public school. When I tried giving the same answers to non-believing classmates I was met with ridicule. That meant that even as early as the First Grade I had to consider carefully what I believed, and why I believed it.
The truth is that God loves us very much. Yes, He has His angels. I can’t really answer why he would make us when God is all powerful and thereful lacking in nothing except that God is by His very essenceh is Love.
Genesis tells us that God created us in His own image. What does that mean? I have been meditating lately on that very meaning. We are meant to love. We are also meant to create, At the end of each day’s creation, God looked at what He had created and saw that it was good. When He had created man, male and female, He looked back at all that He had created and saw that it was very good.
I once listened to a televangelist who asked the question, “What did Adam eat?” The answer that Adam and Eve ate a lie is totally in keeping with Catholic teaching. They ate the lie that they no longer needed to depend on God. Made in a State of sanctifying grace, they accepted the lie that they could be “like gods.” They lost trust in each other.They discovered that they were naked, which is also means vulnerable.
God promised a Savior even then. If we did not need God, there would have been no need for Christ to have died on the cross to restore our relationship with the Father. We need God’s grace to bridge the gap between the sacred and our own tendency to sin.
During a retreat that I attended, the same answer as to why God created flowers and birds was given. These beautify the earth and we find them delightful. God created them because He loves us. The answer always comes down to love.
No, God didn’t need to make us. He didn’t need to make us or created anything else in the world. He chose to because of His great love and for no other reason.
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goout
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God is love.
Love is creative (or fruitful), it never keeps to itself.
Therefore, by nature, God pours himself out in creativity.
We are part of God’s creation.
Likewise, marriage is creative. Married couples are not in love only for themselves, they are in love for the sake of others including children.
Married couples don’t gaze at one another in love, together they gaze outward in love. Love has the power to create new things.
That’s why we say married couples pro-create
…they participate in human existence with God.
Love is creative (or fruitful), it never keeps to itself.
Therefore, by nature, God pours himself out in creativity.
We are part of God’s creation.
Likewise, marriage is creative. Married couples are not in love only for themselves, they are in love for the sake of others including children.
Married couples don’t gaze at one another in love, together they gaze outward in love. Love has the power to create new things.
That’s why we say married couples pro-create
…they participate in human existence with God.
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Tis_Bearself
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While the answers that everyone has given are fine, it would be a little odd to me if someone calling themself “Fatima Crusader”, presumably after the old traditionalist magazine written by the late Fr. Nicholas Gruner (I think my mom had a few issues around the house decades ago), did not accept an answer from the Baltimore Catechism.
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DebCWil
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I don’t know why the word legacy came to mind.
What parents create, they create for the good of the family, and leave an inheritance or legacy for their children, even if only stories.
Scripture tells us of David’s lineage, that the messiah would come from David who ruled over Israel. We read of David’s son, Solomon, and the building of the great temple in Jerusalem.
A father works to support his family. He may pass on his carpentry skills;a mother her culniary arts. Every family is unique in its own way. Their gifts seldom are confined to family, but often are shared with the larger community.
God said, “I will be your God, and you will be my people.” He does not call us simply to worship Him, but into relationship with Him. In another place, Scripture says, “You are my inheritance, Oh Lord.” God takes delight in us even “bestowing on his beloved while they slumber.” Before His death on the Cross, Christ told his disciples, “You are no longer slaves. I call you brothers.” We have entered into the Family of God.
At the foot of the cross, Christ even gave us His mother, Mary, to be our Mother. We are never orphans within this New Covenant.
What parents create, they create for the good of the family, and leave an inheritance or legacy for their children, even if only stories.
Scripture tells us of David’s lineage, that the messiah would come from David who ruled over Israel. We read of David’s son, Solomon, and the building of the great temple in Jerusalem.
A father works to support his family. He may pass on his carpentry skills;a mother her culniary arts. Every family is unique in its own way. Their gifts seldom are confined to family, but often are shared with the larger community.
God said, “I will be your God, and you will be my people.” He does not call us simply to worship Him, but into relationship with Him. In another place, Scripture says, “You are my inheritance, Oh Lord.” God takes delight in us even “bestowing on his beloved while they slumber.” Before His death on the Cross, Christ told his disciples, “You are no longer slaves. I call you brothers.” We have entered into the Family of God.
At the foot of the cross, Christ even gave us His mother, Mary, to be our Mother. We are never orphans within this New Covenant.
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goout
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Wow. I have read something beautiful today.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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DebCWil
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There is nothing wrong with Baltimore Catechism answer as far as it goes. I was simply at a loss when faced with non-Catholics, especially at an early age before I had been confirmed.
We are all called to obedience. Obedience comes from love, not the other way around. We love because He first loved us, and gave His life for us.
As a cradle Catholic, I learned reverence from infancy. We prayed the rosary around my parents’ bed, the only time we were allowed in their room. Each person in a family is expected to contribute to well-being of the family as a whole. That was one of the graces of being part of a large family. Christ Himself taught what service meant at the Last Supper when He washed the feet of the Apostles. We are called to do likewise. How are we to be judged on the Last Day? By how we treat others. “What ever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me.”
We are called to knowledge of God, into relationship with Him who created us. We need to spend time in prayer, lifting our heart and mind to God. The Greatest Commandment remains to Love God with all my heart, mind, and strength. When I do that my actions will flow from that love which leads to the Second Command of loving neighbor as myself.
I had great examples with my parents. Not everybody is blessed in the same way. Too often I still fail. I need God’s grace.
We are all called to obedience. Obedience comes from love, not the other way around. We love because He first loved us, and gave His life for us.
As a cradle Catholic, I learned reverence from infancy. We prayed the rosary around my parents’ bed, the only time we were allowed in their room. Each person in a family is expected to contribute to well-being of the family as a whole. That was one of the graces of being part of a large family. Christ Himself taught what service meant at the Last Supper when He washed the feet of the Apostles. We are called to do likewise. How are we to be judged on the Last Day? By how we treat others. “What ever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me.”
We are called to knowledge of God, into relationship with Him who created us. We need to spend time in prayer, lifting our heart and mind to God. The Greatest Commandment remains to Love God with all my heart, mind, and strength. When I do that my actions will flow from that love which leads to the Second Command of loving neighbor as myself.
I had great examples with my parents. Not everybody is blessed in the same way. Too often I still fail. I need God’s grace.
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phil19034
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Because God is love and the angels can’t really love God in the same way we can. Their wills are fixed. So when you have no real free will, are are not free to love.
Our free will allows us to truly love others because true love is a daily choice. And it’s the daily choice that the Angels lack.
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midori
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Why did God create lions if he also created eagles?
Why did God create minnows if he also created roses?
Why did God create the moon if he also created the stars?
Different things have different roles. We all have our jobs to do, and the context in which we do them, and the abilities that we bring to being able to fulfill them.
Sometimes, the cows in the field are doing a better job of being cows than I am in being the person God created me to be.
But for someone who has the imagination to create, say, flamingos and the T-rex and the planet Jupiter---- would you think it’s odd for him to create humans and angels?
Why did God create minnows if he also created roses?
Why did God create the moon if he also created the stars?
Different things have different roles. We all have our jobs to do, and the context in which we do them, and the abilities that we bring to being able to fulfill them.
Sometimes, the cows in the field are doing a better job of being cows than I am in being the person God created me to be.
But for someone who has the imagination to create, say, flamingos and the T-rex and the planet Jupiter---- would you think it’s odd for him to create humans and angels?
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EZweber
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To put it succinctly, the reason why God made us is simply that He loves us. There is no other reason.
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Zach
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All good posts. I don’t have much to add. Here’s another answer from lesson 1 of The Baltimore Catechism number 2 St Joseph edition:
God made us to show forth His goodness and to share with us His everlasting happiness in heaven.
God made us to show forth His goodness and to share with us His everlasting happiness in heaven.
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rosejmj
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To make us suffer. And then after we suffer we are supposed to be so grateful to God for making us and for saving us
Tis_Bearself
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I don’t think you have a very clear understanding of God or a good relationship with him. I am sorry, I will pray for you.
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Zach
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We made ourselves suffer through disobedience. If not for the original sin we would not have suffered and died. We should be grateful for God saving us.
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rosejmj
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It’s not my fault I’m inclined to sign
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