A Catholic explanation of John 6

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Hey, what are the other ways to get the HS back to indwell in you?
The Church teaches that any of the seven Sacraments are channels of His Grace. There are other ways, but these come and go by the discretion of God and the Holy Spirit.

Of course, I’m completely ignoring the Chaismatic Graces. This would make everything begin to get confusing. 🙂
 
Yes, I am an unbeliever in the eucharist. It cannot promise eternal life. Jesus promised eternal life to those that eat it.

So I’ll ask you this question again…

Do you believe that every person that eats the eucharist is promised everlasting life?
I believe the Eucharist does give Eternal Life because Jesus said that he is the Bread of Life. It’s right there in the Bible.

I have also told you that the Eucharist used in the Latin Rite Catholic Church uses unleaven bread. This bread during the consecration becomes Jesus Christ, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

It’s appearance may appear in physical form, as bread and wine, but the Blessed Sacrament is Truly Jesus. That is why we Catholics believe we consume Our God.

In the 1st to 3rd Century, early Christians were accused of cannabalism for eating their God.

Even to this day, Non-believers will accused Catholics, Orthodox, and other (even some Protestants) Christians who do acknowledge the Bread is the Body of the Lord, and the Wine is the Lord’s Blood.

We Catholics have show you Scripture proof that Jesus is what he claims to be. How can you with your fallible interpretation of this passage proclaim it to be symbolic? Where does it say in the Bible it is symbolic?
 
Mat 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Notice here how it never says eucharist… or catholicism… or catechism… or pope
It isnt bread.
 
The ball is in your court. That definition means that YOU have to do the scrutinizing, not me. You have to decide for yourself based on sound reasoning and study. I don’t have to do any of the work for you. I already have done the work and believe. 🙂
You say the eucharist is Jesus. I say it isn’t. The eucharist is not in the Bible. So it’s false.
 
You say the eucharist is Jesus. I say it isn’t. The eucharist is not in the Bible. So it’s false.
That logic is so erroneous. The word Trinity is not in the Bible, therefore it is false.

Oh, let me get this one. The Word Bible is not even the Bible…so the Bible is false…
 
You say the eucharist is Jesus. I say it isn’t. The eucharist is not in the Bible. So it’s false.
Are you that uneducated?

The Eucharist means thanksgiving. The Eucharist is the unleaven bread and the wine. I just gave you an Scriptural verse to support the Catholic position.
 
I believe the Eucharist does give Eternal Life because Jesus said that he is the Bread of Life. It’s right there in the Bible.

I have also told you that the Eucharist used in the Latin Rite Catholic Church uses unleaven bread. This bread during the consecration becomes Jesus Christ, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

It’s appearance may appear in physical form, as bread and wine, but the Blessed Sacrament is Truly Jesus. That is why we Catholics believe we consume Our God.

In the 1st to 3rd Century, early Christians were accused of cannabalism for eating their God.

Even to this day, Non-believers will accused Catholics, Orthodox, and other (even some Protestants) Christians who do acknowledge the Bread is the Body of the Lord, and the Wine is the Lord’s Blood.

We Catholics have show you Scripture proof that Jesus is what he claims to be. How can you with your fallible interpretation of this passage proclaim it to be symbolic? Where does it say in the Bible it is symbolic?
That’s completely false doctrine and I hope anyone reading this knows better. There is no scriptural proof. You just claimed that any tom, dick, and harry can be saved just by eating it. That’s absolutely false.
 
Mat 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Notice here how it never says eucharist… or catholicism… or catechism… or pope
Now you are grasping. 🙂 That is completely not what this thread is about.

You won’t get a Catholic to disagree with you here, because indeed it doesn’t say those things (eucharist, catholicism, catechism, the pope) in that verse of St. Matthew’s gospel, but if you must go there, that verse is completely in line with Catholic theology. What is the word that proceeds from the mouth of God? It is Jesus, the Incarnate Word. That is how we live. And his body and blood given to us in the Eucharist is how we live through communion with the Incarnate Word.

Anti-Catholic statements don’t really help your case here. 🙂
 
You say the eucharist is Jesus. I say it isn’t. The eucharist is not in the Bible. So it’s false.
Neither is the Declaration of Independence, so does that make it false? 🙂

But I disagree. The Eucharist is found a-plenty in the bible. You just are blind to it. 🙂
 
That’s completely false doctrine and I hope anyone reading this knows better. There is no scriptural proof. You just claimed that any tom, dick, and harry can be saved just by eating it. That’s absolutely false.
Your doctrine is false! Where is it in the Bible that say the bread is Symbolic? Show me?
 
John 6:48-58 (KJV)
I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Jesus Christ is the Bread of Life. It is he whom I need to eat in order that I might have eternal life. He is the manna for my soul that God promised. Though I don’t need to wait each day to take part of the bread of life, I do need to be sure that my life is lived like Jesus. He was the example of how I am to live and part of what it means for me to eat the bread of life is to live my life the way Jesus, the Bread of Life, lived his.
 
Manny,

Charity, my brother in the Lord, charity! Let the peace of God which is beyond all understanding keep your heart and mind in the knowledge of God. Let the Spirit guide you! Do not let anger and frustration guide your responses!

Peace, my brother!

Brian
 
Now you are grasping. 🙂 That is completely not what this thread is about.

You won’t get a Catholic to disagree with you here, because indeed it doesn’t say those things (eucharist, catholicism, catechism, the pope) in that verse of St. Matthew’s gospel, but if you must go there, that verse is completely in line with Catholic theology. What is the word that proceeds from the mouth of God? It is Jesus, the Incarnate Word. That is how we live. And his body and blood given to us in the Eucharist is how we live through communion with the Incarnate Word.

Anti-Catholic statements don’t really help your case here. 🙂
Grasping? You mean like not being able to prove the eucharist is God? The eucharist cannot promise everlasting life so it isn’t the flesh of jesus. The flesh of jesus is meat. Here… let’s post this again.

Jesus promised everlasting life to those who hear His Word and believe.

Jesus = Living Bread (John 6:51)
Living Bread = Flesh (John 6:51)
Flesh = Meat (John 6:55)
Meat = work of God (John 4:34) Already explained.
Work of God = believe on Jesus (John 6:28-29)
Believe on Jesus = have everlasting life (Jhn 6:40) Everlasting life is the result of eating his flesh.
Living Bread = NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD (John 6:58)

Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

REMEMBER, JESUS DEFINED MEAT HERE
Jhn 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Jhn 6:28
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jhn 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Jhn 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: NOT AS YOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
 
Mat 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
These are Christ’s own words only from John 6. Please do not say" **every **word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". You can only say “**some **words that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” You want to call Christ mistaken, wrong or a liar go ahead. There is nothing below but His own words.

26 “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27 Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 29 “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 32“Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
35 “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
43 “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”.
53 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
The Words of Eternal Life
61 “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe “ 65 “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
66 “Do you want to go away as well?” 70 “Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.”
 
That’s completely false doctrine and I hope anyone reading this knows better. There is no scriptural proof. You just claimed that any tom, dick, and harry can be saved just by eating it. That’s absolutely false.
BZZZT! Again!

Only those who receive worthily! Those who eat without recognizing the body are condemned! So, I admonish you, DO NOT EAT! 🙂
 
Manny,

Charity, my brother in the Lord, charity! Let the peace of God which is beyond all understanding keep your heart and mind in the knowledge of God. Let the Spirit guide you! Do not let anger and frustration guide your responses!

Peace, my brother!

Brian
I’m losing my patience with this Protestant. He doesn’t reason. It’s like talking to brick wall. The arrogance of believers is unbelievable…
 
Grasping? You mean like not being able to prove the eucharist is God? The eucharist cannot promise everlasting life so it isn’t the flesh of jesus. The flesh of jesus is meat. Here… let’s post this again.
I am not interested in any of that. Jesus promises eternal life to those who receive him. We receive him body, blood, soul and divinity in the Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar.

Now, I challenge you to prove something. Prove to me that Jesus rose from the dead, and when you can successfully prove to me (in other words, according to the way I want it proved, not the way you do) that he indeed is risen, then you will believe that the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of the Lord.

🙂
 
I’m fed up with him. I’m gonna add believers to my ignore list. He just open up like other Protestants.
 
I’m losing my patience with this Protestant. He doesn’t reason. It’s like talking to brick wall. The arrogance of believers is unbelievable…
Do not let another person be a stumbling block to you. Let the Spirit be your guide.

Brian
 
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