Experientially we see a process of sanctification. But the amazing truth that Paul teaches is that the moment I am saved I am “a new creature. Old things have passed away and ALL things have become new.”. That is not merely “positional” truth. Get this: Paul says TWICE within 4 verses (take notice when that happens) in Rom 7 “it is no longer I that sins, but sin that dwells in me.” Does that fit your theology?
Okay, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard this but I really want to know, WHY do some people think that we are doing anything out of fear??
2 Cor 5:17 tells us that “if anyone is in Christ, all things become new.” It does not say that the “all things” happens all at once. That’s why the apostle says: “grow in grace…” 2 Pet.3:18 Steady growth, constant victories are the witness that will move the world!! A mere profession after a one time event will never cut it.
:tiphat:**So what? You’re reduced **to taking her word on her teachings being truth without knowing for sure. She claims that only she can rightly interpret Scripture; therefore, you have no way of knowing whether or not she’s telling the truth because she’s excluded you from her ability to rightly divide the word.
**But one thing the prideful and stubborn mind of the anti-Catholic understands, and notes, **is the conspicuous absence of the word, “CHURCH” from the verses you’ve cherry-picked above.
Not a good job of interpretation…:nope:
Neither do you. Again, according to your Church only she has the ability to rightly divide scripture (the Mother of all circular arguments, by the way), and you’ve differentiated yourself from the Church in this statement:IOW, you are not the Church, and cannot rightly divide the scripture, and so you have no way of knowing with certainty whether or not she teaches truth.
To create humans, I would have to be God. And if Iwas God, yes, I would. Now let me ask you a question: God created everyone. The Bible states both that God knows the end from the beginning AND that multitudes will spend eternity in hell. So which do you find fault with–God or the Bible?
How sure are you that you are guided by the Holy Sprit?
Evading again.
And the Bible says
I think that response is merely a kneejerk reaction to something you can’t intelligently refute. IF you are a father, I will let you answer this question: Which child’s birthday gift to you would you appreciate more–the one from the child who feels they HAVE to give you a gift to keep in good standing with you, or the one from the child that is totally excited about you, loves to give you gifts, and knows your relationship won’t change a bit if you forget the gift?
Dear friend, if you are saying what I think you are saying, then I have two statements:
You think you’re better than the Bible don’t you! When god ordered the Jews to wipe out all those men, women and children, was He a murderous God? Or do you part company with the RCC when it affirms the infallability of Scripture? Which is it?
Boy you just don’t let up do you? You insult our faith, and now our intelligence. I am not a father, but I had one, one so good that he helped me to understand how loving our heavenly Father is.
Thank you for sharing something personal with me. In one sense, you didn’t answer my question, though. But in another sense you did. I think I heard you tell me that you had a special and loving relationship with a man, your father, who, NO MATTER HOW BADLY you stumbled, even if in a weak moment or period in your life you told him you “hated” him, would always love you UNCONDITIONALLY and who would NEVER disown you, no matter what. THAT is how we believe our heavenly Father treats us once we accept the death of His Son as the payment for all our sins and are born into His Family. That’s all weakre saying!
Are you incapable of understanding a simple question?
The answer is Yes. Niw answer mine. You are the one who is evasive. God says his ways are FAR above your ways, my dear. But you laugh at that notion, I fear.
I am not sayiing that at all.
So you think it’s God’s fault that these people are murderers, rapists,etc.
Ah yes of course. I forgot. You have chopped up the Word of God.
I was not evading you, my dear. I have not one speck of need to do that. I needed to wait until I knew how God wanted me to answer…If it was me, as I exist here, knowing what I know, I couldn’t do that. No. But dear woman I wouldn’t put my son to death on a cross for a bunch of people in rebellion against me either.
You are not following very well. I find no fault at all with God. He is perfect in every way. I’m saying if YOU think GOD couldn’t create people He knew were going to hell, then you must also have a problem with a notion of a God who ALLOWS innocent people to be born, knowing that they will be raped, molested by who knows what, die of starvation, etc. He could have prevented all of that. He ordered the Jews to kill whole towns. Do you understand He was perfectly just in doing that?
All right, you’re going to have to be sharper than that. That verse says “if ANY man is in Christ, he is a new creation…” The moment I receive Christ I am in Him. That moment I am a new creation, etc. There are lots more verses that confirm this. Look below at my signature. Read Romans 6-8.
